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The Joe Rogan Experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day before we get started. Yeah. How about that colder wall guy that I just played for you. How crazy is that? He was 21 when he made that
song is he close to 21 right now is 25 now. Yeah, he sounds like Johnny like later Johnny
Cash Johnny Cash When did hurt
yeah, you know some like a pain. Yeah, a depth of richness is voice so badass
it's weird like
How are you? How do you get that at 21?
He went to see him in like 14. He probably developed early probably want to some shit in his life.
Oh, it's got me some
whiskey in that story somewhere.
Oh, yeah, he had to go through some real shit to have that that voice and that that just the man this the the sensibility this the mindset of those songs. You know that Kate McCannon song Like Jesus Christ. You have to listen to the whole song.
It's crazy and it's
like yeah, one of the things I hope like with your Spotify thing is that you'll be able to play
songs we want to but it's weird. It's like they they've left open as they're trying to figure it out. Right? All this stuff is basically there's a lot of work in progress, but trying to figure it out
isn't my dream here at Spotify if you listening. My dream is a little boy is to play Stevie Ray Vaughan or Jimi Hendrix on The Joe Rogan Experience and not not be
Like nervous about it being like taking down right because because I don't have the rights for to cover the song
Whatever. I wonder how that works for the artist. Well for someone like Stevie Ray Vaughan or Jimi Hendrix, they're both dead. So it would be the estate of the artist what which often times I believe probably makes it more slippery. Yeah, because then you're dealing with people that you know, kind of own it as a commodity rather than the actual artist
itself, but there's a difference you like The Beatles and then the Steve Ox what whoever
our own Stevie Ray Vaughan, you know is like a bad like mother effort like this, you know, they're not going to it's not like corporate you would
hope so but you never know man. I mean, he might have had an ex-wife who sold it or who know who knows, you know,
anyway Spotify. Please make it happen.
I almost had the opportunity to drive Stevie Ray Vaughan once when I was driving limos all while yeah, man, but he wouldn't take limos. He would always take cap. So they'd have a limo and the limo would pick up everybody else like all the other band members.
Where's all the other people that they would get in the limo? And Stevie Ray Vaughan would get in a cab because he's that motherfucker. Yeah, just for the
first time I actually yeah, he is he's real. He's real the genuine human being I just for the first time listen to like an interview with him. Like I've never heard Jimi Hendrix really talk or Stevie Ray Vaughan talk before this interview, and he was really drunk in the interview. And then I realized that there was there's a Man Behind the Music there's a there.
There's some pain there's some drinking and just just I don't know demons. He was running from I
think there's like a disconnect that you almost have to have from the normal mind to create that kind of sound and there's that like like when you go to there's some some Hendrix songs like Voodoo Child is a great one, right just the sound in that guitar is soul. He's so out there. He's so
Wild, you know there's like a famous story where Eric Clapton first saw Stevie Ray Vaughan play and he was like what in the fuck am I doing stretches get his Eric Clapton is seeing did I say Stevie Ray Vaughan to Jimi Hendrix? You mention me hundred. I met Jimmy said you man did I okay, but that Eric Clapton went and saw Jimi Hendrix played live and was you know, he was such a talent that
Everybody else was like what are we doing? Like we
the cool thing is I mean, I don't know if you know, but they Eric Clapton is and Jimi Hendrix both play a Fender Strat. This is the same guitar I can imagine and then Eric Clapton's this like warm smooth tone. I could just imagine are clapping seeing like how the fuck did he get that sound out of that thing. How did you pull that off? Well,
it's still Eric Clapton has some amazing fucking songs an amazing sound.
I mean was that Layla that song Layla goddamn, is that a good song
both acoustic and electric has an acoustic ver really on TV used to do this thing plugged unplugged. Yeah, he played like Tears in Heaven, which is a harbor
when he lost his son, right? Yeah. That's his son fell off of a balcony.
Yeah. It's so much pain in that song and then there's the bad a songs the what is the do to entertain
now?
Downtown yeah, I mean the thing about his music versus Hendrix is it was brilliant. I mean who Eric Clapton is I shouldn't say was because you still alive is a brilliant musician brilliant, but the sound falls in the line meaning it all seems brilliant and purposeful in uniform and the songs are amazing, but it falls in line whereas, you know,
This shit that Hendrix would do what he was out there. It was like this this new thing man. It was just he was gone and he was fucking in his 20s. He died. He was 27 years old, which is so
crazy and a technique wise. I mean, I know you don't play guitar, but technique-wise. He just didn't fall in you conventions. He was just like it's like thumb he put her over the top and just like it was messy.
Yeah, and then we played Rhythm wasn't how anyone played Rhythm. It wasn't like like three chords. It was three chords, but every time he played those chords, they're always different. They always messed with it. He always like throwing a little chaos. Hmm their songs like machine gun.
Yeah. No that one. Yes. I love that song
just like were there where did that come
from? There's so many best songs. They're like where like if six was nine like that that song like what is that? What is that? Like? Yeah. He just it's a lot of it is drugs.
That's that's the truth. I mean, you know, it's sad truth. Yes, and no, I mean it's it's sad in that he's not here anymore, but it's not sad in that what he accomplished in his 27 years on this planet still to this day haunts guitarists. Yeah, like if you ask professional guitar, there was a million brilliant guitarist. I mean, there's so many
You know, some people are big fans of Eddie Van Halen. I mean, I think to this day that Stevie Ray Vaughan's version of Voodoo Child is it's you know, you always have to give the best credit to the original which is Jimmy but Stevie Ray Vaughan's Voodoo Child is fucking amazing and it's him. It's clearly him. Yeah leave this plane on this time. I mean, I've taught said it a million times and that's name this podcast. I stole the name from Jimi Hendrix The Joe Rogan Experience came from the Jimi Hendrix
experience.
Oh, yeah, nothing nothing like
them. I just always been an odd leech attracted to him. You know, that's a weird word to use but that's what it is like attracted to his music and attract like him. There's something about him that just always resonated with me. You know, the old Studio I had the the Hendrix mug shot up and
we got this represents the 60s. Yeah, and also this psychedelic thing experience like not not in this like cheesy way.
Like in a really out there
way for the genuine genuine. Yeah
authentic. I mean is the the the fun tension because you're a health guy. He talked about like how to be healthy how to almost like have a balance but then at the same time you say that you celebrate the self-destruction that led to the genius of Jimi
Hendrix some that I celebrate the self-destruction. The self-destruction is an unfortunate.
Act of that path, right and there's a lot of weirdness to Jimi Hendrix death. I don't know if you know like he had a gangster manager who apparently had him kidnapped just so that he could rescue him and convince Jimmy that you know, he was a savior. There's a book that was written on it with that accuses this manager of killing Jimi Hendrix and saying that they also threw his girlfriend off a roof when she did either jump off a roof was thrown off a roof.
And died shortly afterwards because she knew too much or whatever who the fuck knows it was one of Hendrix bodyguards or someone who worked for the manager that wrote the story but the thing about that path a path of drugs and destruction. It's been it's been a path of many of my Idols whether it's kinnison or Richard Pryor or even Hicks, you know Hicks died from cancer, but a lot of that
Is probably true beautiful to him chain-smoking and just a lot of drugs and stuff when he was younger and just destroyed his life and and then it's also like pancreatic cancer. So genetic thing as well. You never really know what's causing pancreatic cancer. But
well the your conversation with Mike Tyson actually symbolizes this in a really interesting way for me because here you have like one of the greatest fighters ever who somehow found inner peace through the hole
Like marijuana marijuana thing, but just the way he was behaving just was positivity and just this Good Vibes putting them out there and yet he now for at least brief moment in his life rediscovered the
darkness. Like I was watching your
podcast with him and the moment when you said like you were like having another level chat. He just took you like a few levels up by saying like that, you know when you thinks about hurting people sometimes
Sarcasm, it's orgasmic. Yeah, and you know, you try to laugh it off but there's like memes of he's like, no, I'm
serious. Well, I mean, I I was laughing. I mean, I wasn't really trying to laugh it off. I was laughing at The Madness
of what does that make you by the way, Donald Trump retweeted that clip of that. I don't know what to make the politically I don't know what the context of retreated Mike Tyson saying. It was
erotic Trump's like an old comedian who just happens to be
Be president and really I mean in the the same kind of behavior that a comedian has the timing like his timing like when the thing about Hillary Clinton you'd be in jail. Remember that the timing of that when they were doing a debate and she said something about him
being it's painful to I want back and watch those debates as painful to watch. It makes me as somebody who wants to see truth and positivity went out in the world it was
The me to think about the debates between Biden
Trump the alley was going to happen. You don't think so. No, I don't think that I think the people in the Democratic party or to wise I think it's possible that Kamala Harris might debate Pence. I think that's probably and I think she'll do really well against Penn Spence is a bit robotic and careful and you know and Evangelical, you know, it's super Christian. I think she'll probably do very well.
Well in those debates, you know, it's especially well. There's no audience. See that's the thing man. Those debates a lot of it was like getting them zingers in.
Yeah, I think Trump needs an audience like a comedian. You said I think he needs the it would certainly help crowd to work off. You know,
how do you say Donald Trump jr. Is girlfriend's name Kimberly. How do you say it? Like gilfoyle? I think Zach gilfoyle. I don't like the way it's written is like, why are we pretending that this?
This is like the correct use of these letters because he shouldn't put all those letters together like that like fix that but there's a great video that someone put together an i retweeted it or reposted it
of her
screaming this message to an empty room. And then there's a beaver on the top of a mountain. Yeah.
This is this is the thing that
happens is amazing.
That's the best it's undefeated. This is there's a thing about doing stuff in like audiences. Like here. It is -
Stephanie you are
capable assistant. It's still just find it on my Instagram. It's on my Instagram.
But it's so funny because it's like people are doing stand-up these days on zoom and it's bad like really good Comics look terrible doing stand-up. No no audience. Yeah, it's just not how comedy supposed to be there. It's like it's like, you know how you have a battery and you're charging a battery. You have to put something on the area play it real quick. It's so
good dream.
To come
Beaver screaming. It's so perfect. Yeah, it's so perfect
20 twin. That's right.
It's but it's so perfect that Beaver by himself on the top of that mountain.
Just screaming ha ha ha
but
timing is genius. It's raising. It's about whoever made that thank you. Whoever you are. But you know, there's Comics that are doing stand-up in these Zoom things and it's like, you know, how you charge battery you have to connect the positive and then you have to connect the negative. You know, you have to there's two cables that you have to
Connect the two of them together if you only connect one it doesn't work. Well, that's how it is with stand up. You have to have an audience. It's one of those art forms that you you need to have a reaction. The people have to be that you feed off of them. You you create comedy with them. And in a lot of ways one of the things that that Trump does outside of these speeches and get everybody excited about things. He's doing stand-up. He tells jokes you talk shit he
It's laughs like they were saying like there was an interview with one of the one of the debates. You've said terrible things about women. You've called women pigs. You've called them. This thing goes wait, wait, wait only Rosie O'Donnell. He says it's in the audience goes crazy and laughs. They're told not respond. They're told to not respond the audience. They're told they can't laugh. They can't help it. He just nailed it. He fucking nailed it and it's like a comic old comic and I don't know if he's the same guy as he was back then just honestly just being
It's the same way. I would talk about a fighter like his father time wins every time
if you listen to interviews of Donald Trump, maybe from the 90s. He is a different guy. Yes, he's much like sharper. I mean listen, I don't want to be a gist. Yes, like
she just is just reality. I mean, no one gets better when they're a hundred. It's not like the guys a hundred and all of a sudden he runs faster. He talks better. He's reading more and writing voice. He's better. No, we're dying. We're all done.
Slowly, okay, and I don't know what kind of pressure being the president is, but I can only imagine it's almost unmanageable and he's manage it better than anybody I've ever seen but the reality is it's still pressure. You still Father Time wears on you the the the the river beats down the rocks and smooth them out. There's no way around it. It's just it is what it is. So whether or not he's still got that kind of timing. That's a that's a real question, but
If him and Biden get into a debate situation and he hits bottom with a couple of singers like that, I mean I
don't was so how do you think Biden might get out at the debates?
He's gonna he's gonna have to get out of the debates. Maybe if they're smart if I was a democratic strategist, there's no fucking way. I would let him debate like listen, we're winning because it's the only reason why people are wanting the only reason is because they want Trump out of office you could have if if Pete Buddha judge was in the position that Biden was in
It would be I mean, he would have a much stronger like so many much much stronger response from people, right young person speaks. Well if Tulsi gabbard was in that position did she could be president. I know the Democrats for whatever fucking reason didn't want her to be but if she got into those that position when she was debating if she was debating with Trump and people saw her and saw her record saw at the fact that she served overseas twice on the fact. She's been a congresswoman for six.
Here's saw how well she speaks how honest she is
and she's the Integrity of the character that you can see in the way. She carries herself. See the one of the big problems is the Democratic nomination process happened before coronavirus. Yeah. So like we were in kind of relax the economy was doing well, you know things are going just regular and so you kind of the boring generic candidate want out. What we need now is a great like inspiring leader. Yeah, not somebody who is, you know, Joe Biden strategy.
Currently is to just sit back and don't say anything and let Trump destroy himself.
Well, that's how he says something. He jumbles his words up and he fucks things up and he forgets where he is and it's like, you know, he's had multiple brain surgeries.
More than that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I can play you some shit. I mean like it's kind of crazy. Hey, Jamie have ever played you this one. I'm gonna almost send this to you Jamie, but the
look but the contrast is like Andrew Yang. I don't know if you listen and reading these days but he's Andrews like teaming with ideas. Yes with energy with excitement with a passion of different ways things we can do have you know, that's what we need now is a and it's
Hiring a leader that unites, you know, Brad Weinstein is on his big as he talked about on your podcast, like uniting having basically a center-left and a center-right candidate just uniting the nation.
Yeah, I'm sending this you right now Jamie. Sorry,
but yeah, so the
Isle of uniting the Nation versus he's lighting Andrews a really interesting guy. Like he's he's not what the standard
you know, like what you're looking for from a guy who's running for president his one of the biggest things he's known for is universal basic income. He's basically saying hey guys, look automation is coming and there's going to be a lot of people out of work and how bright does he look now that we have seen that not automation. But the pandemic took out so many of these jobs and we did need Universal basic income. It really was important and that same sort of a situation could happen with with with that next.
I mean from what we're dealing with now to what we could be dealing with with another pandemic + automation. You're going to see a lot of people that are out of work and eat it became went from a place of people wanting economic prosperity to hey, let's just make sure that people don't lose their houses. Let's just make sure that people can eat let's make sure that people have a roof over their head and that's that's really where we were in the middle of the pandemic
but the big thing whether you agree unlike automation Universal basic income or not doesn't matter the point is
Is besides Ubi he's a source of a giant number of ideas and he presents them in a way not saying Republicans are wrong and Democrats are right, but saying let's together figure out which of these ideas are right here. Yes. He basic is an idea Forever The Purple belt. Did you tell that it? That's that's even more brilliant than Ubi. Now in this divisive time of policing right have every cop get a purple
belt. Yeah, at least a purple belt. Yeah from a legit Brazilian
jiu-jitsu instructor may be Bluebell.
The second stripe that like learning triangle.
Yeah. Well know how to defend yourself in so many ridiculous videos. I was watching with there's a an account. I follow on Instagram called police posts and it's basically a police oriented Instagram page, you know, it's like four cops educating cops and talking about situations and they show a lot of like situations where cops overestimate their ability to handle things physically and then get fucked up and
and one of them today was this guy gets rolled over and beaten up and just doesn't know what he's doing and you know, and that wouldn't happen. If you were talking about some of this purple
belt. I heard I don't know if this is true, but I heard in some places like New York rear naked choke. So there are legally I legal now, which is like widget which we should expand the Jiu-Jitsu training to the people in government to because it doesn't make any sense. It's one of the most safe ways to pacify.
Well, I think a lot of it had to do with Eric Gardner situation right where that guy got but the thing about the Eric Garner situation is they should have never fucked with that guy and they should have never they should never manhandled him in the first place forget about choking him. They should have left him alone. All the guy was doing is hanging out on the corner selling loose cigarettes now Canto have a cough button. Hold on. We tried their work better Jamie all these sort of expect but the other mic pick you up,
but the thing is we should
Press it, like in unison.
Yeah contrast this idea that they were going after this guy for loose cigarettes based on what happened after the George Floyd protest where people were smashing windows and stealing things that are stores in the cops are just standing there right because shit got so crazy that they let people just Loot and smash windows and steal things. Meanwhile, they killed a guy who was just selling loose cigarettes all those doing a standing there. He presented. No threat. He was just trying to make a couple bucks.
Sound cigarettes and they grabbed him threw him to the ground and were choking them. I think that and public
perception. So what's the solution to that? How do you get those cops out those humans
out. I think you need way better training and you need a lot of training and Jocko willing talked about it and he had a great position. He thinks they should be spending 20% of their time training and this idea of defunding the cops goes. No, you need more funding you need more funding and more training and you need to get rid of the ones that suck and you need to really stringent process.
Of elimination the same way they have in the seals same with a having the Rangers you get rid of the people with weak character and there's a lot of people with weak character that want to be and police officers. And those are the ones that you're seeing. But there's also a lot of people strong character the do an amazing job and no one cares about that. You don't get a lot of those because what we're seeing is the videos that go viral or almost always bad this one really good video from the the beginning of the George Floyd protest where this one cop in Flint.
Together and says to these great people that's protesting. We're with you we will march with you like we're not in opposition. We are in this community and and you know, and I'm here to I'm here to be your friend. I'm here to help out and that's what we're doing as police officers in the hug this guy and they're all hugging each other and then they walk together. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful it mean brings a tear to your eye. That's that's what we want. Right? We want people that are police officers that are that have like strong character someone who's like an exceptional human being
being I think that's who you have to beat it to have that
job and defunding the police is not a solution to that in any kind of way. I mean, this is what I think most people probably don't realize is yeah, it takes an exceptional human being to be a police officer in a sense that you have to be especially in these times just be patient because basically a large percentage of the population is at best skeptical worst hate you and actually now it's especially now,
Now and during all that you have to still maintain calm you have to establish control. You have to help people you have to serve the community all those things. It takes an exceptional man or woman to do that that and it's depressing to think because the exceptional humans in our society who would want to join the police force now,
well I talked about this with Edward Snowden recently. One of the things that we said was that what what really needs to be done is
is we need to do something at the root cause of it was like why are there still he's deeply impoverished communities in this country that haven't changed since the 60s and there's been no work done to try to improve them or whatever work has been done has been ineffective. They're still crime-ridden. They're still gang grid and they're still filled with violence. Like that's that's why there's so much crime. There's so much crime because there's there's so many communities that it's just like deeply entrenched in what they are whether it's south side of Chicago.
Mago or parts of Detroit. I mean if you want to lower crime, you have to increase Economic Opportunity. You have to increase education. You have to make people feel like they're in a safer environment. You have to do something to make these neighborhoods better now, I'm a moron. I'm not the person to figure that out. I don't know how you make a neighborhood better, but it's not impossible. And when you look at the amount of money that they spent on stimulus to try to help these businesses during the pandemic that were suffering.
Like why couldn't they do the exact same thing in the past to these cities? Why couldn't they treat that like a pandemic a pandemic of violence and crime that needs to be remedied?
Yeah this whole the sad thing about the way the stimulus is being distributed by least My worry is that it creates a greater Gap in wealth wealth disparity versus a lesser one. So all the problems you're mentioning. It's only going to make them worse. So people who are not well
Are going to become worse. The opportunity for jobs is going to be lesser the opportunities for people who are going to lose their businesses. That means their dreams are broken essentially and the people who worked for the people who run the businesses are going to not have a job and all that creates a greater disparity within those communities graded desperation and then desperation. I've been
Reading the rise and fall of the Third Reich. Hmm great book. I recommend it highly talks about the 30s and the rise of Hitler and Germany and the pain both economic and psychological turns into this like dark energy that can be combined with a charismatic leader to go into a direction of hatred versus love and progress and that's terrifying. I don't think we have a competition
charismatic leader that would do that in the positive or negative Direction, but I do hope a leader arises that that uses that energy of pain that do something good in a positive way and we need that like, I think I think people don't realize how much pain there is being experienced right now, like most people in real pain don't have a podcast don't have a voice Mmm Yeah, and
Like they don't have a job and everyone is kind of in this holding position. But the reality is like once they were economy opens up slowly and slowly there's going to be that the remnants of the pain experience in this year is going to be there. A lot of people have lost their savings people have lost their dreams that materializes itself just like it did in Germany in bitterness and hatred and that can create revolutions that can create.
Unstoppable destructive forces, especially when combined with an idea log that's terrifying to me people should definitely study. There's this kind of this discussion of Hitler recently. You know that everyone says either Obama is Hitler or trampas Hitler. It's kind of who said Obama's Hillier, but when Obama was President, that was really yeah because fuck the people. This is what people
People do I mean, you know the using the military industrial complex that control the population that kind of idea and you know that the thing is you have to separate Hitler the evil person that created the Holocaust from the general evil charismatic leader that took the country into use nationalism to take the country into a dark place in the 30s. Those are two different stories. I don't think we're going to have
Further something hopefully any atrocity like the Holocaust but it's possible that the pain that people feel will be taking what would be taken advantage of by charismatic leader to to take us to take steps back. Not not forward that that's that's a real worry.
That's why I don't see that leader on the horizon. But I did the other problem is even a positive leader. The way politics work in America. Everyone is so accustomed to people chopping people down so much so that one of the things that it's weird about Kamala Harris being with Joe Biden is that you know, she was she was talking like terrible things about him during the primaries. I mean when she was running against him in the primary, she said horrible things about it.
Then when they brought it up on The Colbert Show, she was like it was a debate. It was a debate like is that what a debate is like a bite by any means necessary, you will distort your own views of a person in order to diminish that person so that you can succeed and they fail or do you really mean that and that's why you said it in the debate and you're willing to compromise whatever your ethics or morals or whatever your perceptions this person's are because you want to be vice president. It's one of the
other either one's not good and I think it speaks to the just the standard way that people debate and that people run for president in this country. It's about tearing the other people down. It's not about what you can do what you want to do. What's your vision? It's about how bad that other person's going to do with the job how bad that other person has done at the job. Who what a terrible person there. What's distort their character?
Yeah. So it turning into a game a rap battle. I mean My worry is that
We're going to get in 2024 or 2028 Donald Trump jr. Versus like a OC. So you basically take like the most entertaining Instagram accounts or whatever in the most divisive ones who's going to have the best memes of tearing each other down. It'll become a reality show and of course the media would love that because it it makes it it draws more eyes because we generally are drawn to controversy to drama.
And funny drama like this kind of shallow derisively kind of conversation basically trolls on both sides. Yeah. Well drawn to that as opposed to the angel Yang type folks who are like, let's all get along and yes, here's some ideas.
That's why he's so refreshing, right? Yeah, exactly and also, you know, he's an entrepreneur is it's a different kind of human being that is running to the right is not a career politician. He's a guy who genuinely thinks he can help. Yeah and Young
Young there's something to that just that fresh enter percent not compromise to not compromise by that that fucked up system when you deal with someone like Joe Biden is a 50-year politician like, oh my God, like you're so it's so entangled your sewn crusted into that. He probably doesn't
even he hasn't he's almost unable to think original thoughts at this time because your been in the system for so long. You can't like sit back the Elon Musk style think
um first principles like okay, here's a new problem. What are the ways we've been doing it previously. It hasn't worked. How can we do differently? Let's all cut the bullshit. Look. I know there's a bunch of like ties lobbyist money interest. Let's put all that aside. How do we like, what are we supposed to do? We're supposed to we're supposed to represent the people or supposed to do something great for this country. How do we do that and and Fire?
Again, this is a destructive creative destruction fire. Everybody who's has the entrenched old-school assumptions that haven't worked fire everybody and hire new energy
and well you'd have to revamp the system to its there's so much to do. Well, this is the
time to do it. I mean and there's a hunger for that. I think there's a hunger for populace that wants to prevent the
system use a matter whether or not they would actually be able to do it. I mean, there's so many checks and balances in
Place to sort of prevent that from happening because they were the worried about someone doing it for the wrong reasons
what that what if there's a positive view on our current President Donald Trump is he showed that you don't have to follow the rules right? You don't have to follow the rules of the system. You can just fire everybody checks and balances. She's ignore them. Yeah, I mean that that should be inspiring to positive
leaders
say you know what? I don't even if I'm young even if I'm an AOC
Type character or whatever on the right even Donald J Trump jr. Sorry Donald Trump is easy. Also J.
Well as Junior so he must be a
j okay as out. Okay.
Yeah the way jr. Works you have to have the safe has to be a perfect match. Okay believe so that correct. Well, yeah.
So yeah that that should be inspiring to Young leaders to say you could you can revamp the whole system. That was one of the
the criticisms of Barack Obama is that he talked about change and he hasn't really changed
much. Yeah, and
I think it's possible to
change. I think there's something gross about juniors.
Yeah, just the name Junior. Why can't you be your own fucking person the third the fourth? Oh God Thurston Howell, the third like the queen like, 'fuck aliens Island. Yeah, it's weird. Like come on. Dad can't come up with another fucking name you unoriginal twat you know about give me a different name. Yeah, I gotta walk around with Junior Donald the fourth. Lex freed me Junior. Yeah this little X.
Yeah and have like
multiples like hmm. That's the yeah.
Sound yeah selects. It's a tradition and how about George Foreman? You know, he names all his kids George
George all of them. That's
I think even his daughters
right? That can't be a true that cannot be true. It's true. And then you have on the opposite side Elon Musk who named his oh, yeah. It's fucking random
letters of the alphabet. Yeah. I named his kid after a jet and all kinds of the word should not all he's named a few daughters other things apparently about
George has yeah. Well, he's got a lot of kids right? There's also there's a George Etta and
yeah, yeah, that's that's a weird move
Miss Pat had something on her Instagram about NFL players yesterday about like seven NFL players have fathered 52 children from 48 was one guy like 26
kids a couple years ago.
So crazy teach that man about condoms. Good Lord, sir.
Yeah,
there's no way you're taking care of those kids. This one has 14 some of those 14 kids is 350 Grand or so. I'm
like year to support eight of them. Yes to pay and like
only eight of them. Why man, what about the other one? Hey, they all got different deals. I guess. Oh boy. It's too easy to make people, you know, the problem is it's pleasurable and it's your we're all like super drawn to it because it's part of our DNA.
Be sexually attracted to whoever and that's how you make people it's crazy. It's like like hunger making people, you know, it's because people used to die so easily because we don't run fast and you know, we're basically like water balloons
and Dad birth like close to at a young age often because just medicine Advanced so much that we were able to save kids it sure nutrition and actions all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I don't I can't
I haven't looked into this carefully, but there's this seems to be a lot of debate about whether to worry about overpopulation or not. Like I've posted these like projections of the population when we're going to reach 10 trillion.
people billion people and there's a lot of debate over whether that is like we should be worried about or not the on the one side the natural carrying capacity of Earth people say that we have way more resources that we need is not to worry about it's nothing
to worry, but it's about how those resources allocated rights like some places are very resource poor but they have high populations and that's it a gigantic problem
and most of the population growth in the 21st century will be an
Look at the bottles and Africa will have I believe more people than the rest of the World by like the end of the century if population continues like this the if you talk about large families, they're happening in
Africa the thing about Africa those it actually can fit most of the world's in it when you realize how big Africa is I had no idea until we started doing this podcast and Jamie pulled up this image of like Europe and Asia and the United States and all these other countries stuff.
It into the continent of Africa. It's only then you realize how big Africa actually is.
So kind of make sense.
Yeah space wise but yeah and but also resource-wise there. I mean there's a lot of people suffering in Africa as something that would keep a blind eye to but there's real suffering poverty.
It's interesting that some animals have mating Seasons, you know, like deer have mating Seasons. They go into the rut in the fall and then the the the Dough's are in estrus and they give out the sent the Bucks go crazy and
Chasing them around but they only do it once a year and then the spring the give birth to the the new fawns and this is like it's really common in the wild for animals to have a season The Chimps do no. No. No. No, I wonder if people know I wonder if there's
ups and downs like so so humans have like a mating season around like Christmas the holidays and then it goes down in the January
month. I think it's only game animals meaning animals that are prey and I think
Predators just go buck. Wild. I think Predators breed whatever the fuck they want to you know, I don't know if that's true though. I mean, I don't know like if like lions and tigers for instance. I know I had a bit that I used to do about tigers because I watch this Discovery Channel show with this is when the female tiger is in season, the male can mate with as many times as 52 in a day. Wow, so they just get after it but I don't know how long that lasts like when they're in heat.
Jamie could you look up the The Mating seasons for lions, please. Yes,
please there goes in captivity Lions often breed every year but in the wild the usually breed no more than once in two years females are receptive to mating for three or four days within a widely variable reproductive cycle during this time a pair generally mates every 20 to 30 minutes with up to 50 copulations for 24 hours. Whoa.
That sounds weirdly like my life
actually once in two years, it's good. I'll maybe your Predator sir. Yeah well, but it's interesting the wildly the reproductive Cycles. It's like it's not predictable like like like a prey animal, you know, but I would also think that nature probably over the course of millions of years balances that out with overpopulation. I realized like hey if there's too many lions like what
Lions very few things eat lions right is occasionally a hyena will get one with a broken leg and they'll take it out. But the reality is mostly it's lines doing the eating. So like you can't have too many of them. Yeah, but like deer and things like that. Well fuck man, they make babies and then they can like literally overwhelm a resource area if there's no Predators so you have to have predators. So there's like some sort of a balance like nature sort of figured out the best way to keep
Keep the animals healthy is to only have them breed once a year.
Yeah, it's amazing how Evolution finds a nice
balance for I think you mean God, but that's okay. I'll let you get away with
that. God and Jesus. Yeah, you know, we're in Texas bro. Yeah guns. God and America. Yeah
Scotch. It is amazing. I mean natural selection and just evolution in general is so fascinating. You
know, what's amazing is talk to Sara Seager. There's this whole group of people.
That look for life. I don't know if you know what exoplanets are. Yeah, like they look for a life out there. You know, some people think that there's Jupiter and the moon of Jupiter Europa has that mean it's a fascinating to think that there's Life currently or at least recently on Mars, you know, the end it's fascinating to think what the evolutionary process on those planets has resulted it. Yeah, because and when we show up
I talked to somebody I forget who oh, I think a biologist that the colleague faculty at MIT. He mentioned that because my worry would be if we encounter a life on another planet it they would it would be destructive to us humans like or we to them one of the other like because it's entire. I mean they can that guy, you know with this virus or experiencing now my natural thought I don't know what I'm talking about with Biology by my natural thought would be like when you touch that life.
My basically be a parasite take advantage of you somehow sure but he said that likely it would be there's a certain kind of distance that happens. If they're if it's far enough away in terms of the kind of energy uses the the kind of environment this adapted to that. It basically won't even notice humans. Like it won't know how to take advantage of the resources. We provide hmm like that that's a hopeful message that will basically could study it safely. What is it?
Not
just like purely speculative because if it's in the Goldilocks zone and you have something that is also carbon-based biological life that is a similar temperature range that it exists in it easily could eat us. He had to
you know, yeah from inside a queen or
a month in Avatar that that planet that I fell always felt like that movie was so interesting because it's closed right? It's close. Whatever it is is like not Earth, but it's
Clothes and the things that live there are not they're not human but they're close like you could kind of see that it's good enough. It's close enough like the animals and all the weird creatures in the jungle and the Avatar
movie, but the thing is most likely life would be not close right now the place like it'll be that's the I told you about David favor. Yeah talked to recently by the way. Thank you for I renamed my pie.
Podcast just my name. Yes, Friedman what I heard you tell that to Joey Joey Diaz. Yeah, sadly people should go listen to Joey's last. He did he record his last Church of What's Happening Now? Absolutely. Yeah. So you suggested to him that he should do some new thing total and just named it after himself and I was like why the fuck am I have some silly name like artificial intelligence. Just just name it like The Joe Rogan Experience. Just I think it looks pretty men pocket. Yeah. I talked to David for for
Hours, yeah, whatever bring that up
because I would favorite you talking. Let's explain Who David Freiburger was yeah. He's a fighter jet pilot for the Navy and he discovered a UFO off the coast of San Diego that when they tracked it went from 60,000 feet to one feet in a second or less. They don't know how fast it went because it's you know the blip of a radar but the thing traveled in
in an insane way that defies all of our understanding of propulsion all of our understanding of physics and this thing also actively was blocking their tracking systems, which is an act of War if you know with the Soviet Union or China was doing that that's technically an act of War. So this thing was doing something that showed that it was intelligently aware of the fact that they using tracking devices to try to lock in on it and it behaved and moved in a way that defies
Oliver understandings of propulsion systems it didn't give off any heat signature and the people from the Navy that he was communicating with saying. Yeah, we see these every now and again, we don't know what the fuck
they are. So the thing I was going to say, there's a lot of interesting things to say about this. But so just this, um, I just remembered that it felt like from that entire experience that because it didn't have a Chinese or Russian flag on it. Whatever he saw is we tend to just the entire system.
Is doesn't want to acknowledge it like you just you don't know what to do with it. So they actually most of like when you return back to the ship and there's a bunch of Pilots that put you know, that saw it. There's a lot of people that witnessed it and there's also the video, you know, the majority of the people didn't know what to do with it. They just went on with their day, like nothing happened, you know, they kind of made fun of each other whatever for you know, yeah. Yeah sure bro, you saw aliens, but like they didn't they didn't know how to
End it that's what I meant. Like if we encounter a life from elsewhere in the universe. We think we would be as a population excited but it feels like just like with book Bigfoot we want we're excited by the mystery when they're like when they're just Out Of Reach when they're like a Among Us that just there's so many Mysteries and incredible things among us that we just kind of take them for granted. Yeah, we don't
even or ignore them actually even worse. We ignore them we get used to things and that was the weird thing that the biggest mystery to me about what David forever saw and a lot of and then also with the the other videos in 2014 something like that to go fast. It's like it wasn't a bigger deal than I thought it
would be like, well the big deal was when the Pentagon came out and said that they have recovered.
Some vehicles that are not of this world now they didn't expand on that there hasn't been more conversation about that. But my this is a purely speculation. My speculation is they are slowly spoon feeding us information to allow people to be more comfortable with the inevitable arrival of something. They believe that something's coming. They don't want it to happen all at once. You see what happens just with the pandemic you see what happens with George Floyd.
You see what happens with any time. There's a big shock to our system and there's chaos in the streets. It's on manageable. And if the UFOs came in the middle of something like that like Jesus Christ, like who the fuck knows what we go down if I was someone who's in a position of power, I would say listen this information is going to get out it's inevitable. So why don't we let people know now just give them just in words say we have recovered crafts that are not of this world say something crazy like that let
In the New York Times get it out there and then slowly drip out more information when they see these videos, they'll get more and more accustomed to it and then eventually to be like masks like you walk down the street. Everybody has a mask on you don't even think about it yet.
But okay, so let me be and I'm saying yeah, I totally and this is such a fascinating question. If the government is in possession of an alien spacecraft, what is the right way to release that information the
problem is if
if it's more potent than any weapon that any any civilization has currently on this planet. So if the United States is in control of this vehicle that is more potent and can do things that like if you really do have something I can go from 60,000 feet to one foot in under a second that mean that's that defies all of our understandings of speed. Right? I mean that's so fast. If you could do that,
well, there's arguments against because it could be human created technology.
That's just 15 20 30 years out. Like the stealth bomber was developed secretly. So what defies its our perception of its movement capabilities as right defies, but there could be some tricks on perception that I mean, that's the whole point of the stealth bomber is it's difficult to detect sure and so there could be same kind of tricks on perception that you could just be playing different kinds of amazing secret human created technology that is able to
deceive the human
eye. That's a good point. I mean, but the thing about it is they tracked it. It wasn't just that it was the human eye that saw this and it's deceptive but also like the stealth bomber, you know, the way it's designed it blocks radar or it radar doesn't catch on to it. I think it is possible that some human created technology. That's so far Advanced from anything that we're currently that we currently understand like in terms of like mainstream.
Propulsion experts and fighter pilots like David favor and military people. It is possible that some civilization one of the one of the
Big civilizations on this planet whether it's China or Russia has come up with something that's above and beyond what everybody knows but it's not likely but it's not likely that they've made that much of a
leap and your sense on the other side if it's alien technology see I'm more optimistic to me as a scientist and engineer and actually David favor say says this to in this time of pandemic and this time of like just just hard- news.
Everywhere there would be nothing more inspiring than the government and inspiring like Neil deGrasse Tyson way coming out and saying we have not releasing the videos like they did which is I don't know if you know, but they just put the videos on a website like there's not there's nothing he's just videos. It's just like would like some boring documents that describe like nothing. They're not inspiring. We're not talking about like Neil deGrasse Tyson or like Carl Sagan Cosmos style like a beautiful inspiring what is more inspiring than
Alien spacecraft look here's a as a fascinating mystery here. There's nothing more inspiring to us humans than that. There is life out there intelligent life out
there. But how would you handle it? Like let's imagine. Let's imagine you are the leader of the United States and you find out or that, you know, whatever the head of the Navy military intelligence program, whatever whoever you are. You're a person that's in a position where you realize that this thing is from another world and you have this
Responsibility to try to somehow or another publicize
this. Yeah, I would I would exit out. I would approach it a hundred percent from the perspective of science. Here's a mystery. So forget weapon, they cure you mentioned there's this like inclination to think like, how can I figure out a way to use this as a weapon to destroy Russia or China as opposed to seeing it like like going to Mars colonizing Mars?
Mars or going to the Moon originally there is some competitive element, but mostly it's a human pursuit of understanding and human pursuit of overcoming our limited knowledge to serve unlock mysteries of this universe from a physics perspective from an engineering perspective. I would release all the information I have
And release it in a way that gets the Neil deGrasse Tyson folks in the loop. So it's almost like an inspiring effort for us as a Humanity to understand what the hell this thing is versus let's keep it secret and see if we can use it as a
weapon. Well, I appreciate that you think that way because you're a scientist and you're thinking about it in a very positive way to try to expand our education in our understanding of this this thing and maybe we could you know,
Use it for good but you got to realize that anything that surpasses any and all technologies that we currently enjoy in terms of fighter pilots and jets and Military superiority if there's something that just is above and beyond all if everybody has a Model T and you have a Ferrari or better yet. You have a Tesla. You have a Model S. And everybody's got a Model T. You are this is and you're in a race like you have something that is.
So far above and beyond what everybody else has it's not really a fair race. It's a joke, you'll dominate if that rate if you are in a you have a Model T. And the other person has a Tesla and you're racing in the winner gets to decide who has all the food who gets all the women who lives in the nice house like you're going to win every fucking time right now. If you have a UFO if you have a spaceship that comes from another planet where there are a million years more advanced than us. They've had a million years of evolution.
Technological Evolution dealing with elements that are common on their planet that have to be created on a particle collider here and they only exist for a brief amount of time if they have something like that. It's powered by something that we can't even imagine and you figure out how to use that here on Earth. You'll have technical superiority technological superiority over every other civilization every other
country in that technological Superior. It's so funny as chimps are like still talking about our village. We want RV
Village to be better than the next Village when there's an alien civilization that's a million years more advanced that would easily destroy us if we wanted to or actually understands the nature of existence in this universe on levels that like we chimps talk about like meditation and and finding inner peace like and understands on such a deeper level like the nature of Consciousness the nature of intelligence the meaning of life all that weird.
Stuff that we're so obsessed with and understands another level and here we are thinking about what the Russians are doing versus like understanding that mystery. I think in the face of that mystery something that's far more intelligent than us. I think we can't it's a ridiculous notion to think we're anything but one human Village and in terms of weapons because you said the get all the girls or whatever that
I think the weapons thing is the key thing and we're already at least the major Nations have all the weapons. We need to destroy each other. It's like we don't need extra weapons. Well, I mean, it feels like
It feels like your hypothesis would be like if an alien technology was here and would figure it out would be able to have something that destroys other chimp Village has an order of magnitude more efficiently the nuclear weapons there by having an asymmetrical sort of from a game theory perspective of power over other nations and we can tell China what to do. We can tell Russia what to do. That's that's the perspective.
What you're thinking I just
I'm not even saying that they're thinking that way I'm thinking a human would think that if they had control of this vehicle. I'm not saying that the aliens would think this way I'm thinking also that we are constantly innovating when you when you talk to people that are designing Jets and planes and fighter pilots, and they're really talking about new systems that they've created in new, you know new new weapons. They don't just sit back and say we have enough weapons to destroy
Why Russia and China and the rest of the world combined? So we're just going to stop this is not how human beings innovate human beings are in this constant state of wanting the newest greatest Innovations. We want to improve upon every single existing invention until we hit some sort of Singularity point or whatever. The fuck were striving for is a culture and that would be that propulsion system. If that you've you do really have something go from 60.
Thousand feet to one feet in less than a second you're dealing with something that we don't understand we can't do that right now. And if we and you could figure out how to do that and Propel people that quickly it would be a game-changer. Now how much of a game changer what does that mean? Well, we're in this weird place where we kind of agree to not use our best weapons, right? Like when there's a there's a Face-Off between the United States Jets and a Russian Jet and they come close to each other like over China or something like that.
It's weird because we're not shooting at each other. But we're real close and even the missiles that we have. They're not nuclear like we're but we're involved in a skirmish with another country, but it does we don't use all our weapons. Like if we approached War the way people approach to war and you know, the the Middle Ages we would just nuke the fuck out of everybody that talk shit right anybody anybody?
What did you just say? What did you say fucking launch those missiles? Fuck those Pete
instead of Twitter be nukes. Yeah,
exactly. So we're already in this place where we don't use our best stuff. We're already so if we had something that made us fly better and fly faster the real questions. Yeah, how much would that change the world? I don't know. I don't know how much it would if we got in control of some UFO and we're able to get the China quicker with how much of a difference would that make in terms of like the way they
Responded to our military. We're in this position. Now where there's multiple countries that have the ability to destroy other countries. There's a Iran has some sort of a nuclear program Pakistan is a nuclear program. India has nuclear program, you know, of course United States Russia China, there's many countries that have the ability to fuck in Wipeout huge numbers of the population like that. Just launched just one crazy.
Iconic leader who just decides to just listen, we're going to fucking make our Mark here everybody together on one two, three. Go boom.
I mean, there are such a difficulty you talk to Snowden such a difficult ethical question. Like if I actually had that information, I tend to lean a little bit on the side of it's the duty of every American to leaked that information to take it and make it public but I understand that it takes a huge risk of
Of destroying the world because evil people can get their hands on that information. That's the quite that's the baubles are question. Right?
It wasn't that oppenheimer's dilemma. I mean when Oppenheimer who's a you know, a very peaceful Man created the most destructive or helped create the most destructive invention the world's ever known.
It's a conundrum right eye but doing so did he prevent a lot of other death because Germany would have gotten it or Japan would have gotten it and they would have used it on Europe. They would have used it on the United States. Is that possible? That's that's the argument right that there's a race going on the people understand that splitting the atom and is possible that nuclear weapons are feasible. And whoever gets him first is going to have a massive Advantage. We got them first and therefore, you know, we
Came the preeminent superpower, but what if we didn't what if Oppenheimer was a dummy? You know, what if there was a bunch of Knuckleheads working for the United States and the Russians and the Germans and the Japanese were all working together and they came up with something far better. Obviously, the Russians were against the Germans at the in that war but we fit together any superpowers at the time if they got together with their scientists and they figured out a nuclear bomb first just dropped it on San Francisco. Well, how much would the world be different now?
Yeah, I mean
Mean and Russia, I mean Stalin is a complicated figure. So he was on the side of the United States at the time but evils fuck but evil evil and if he had nuclear weapons, that's a whole another discussion. Yes, and it's actually quite surprising to me that we got out of the 20th century alive. Yeah from a perspective of Oppenheimer, you know, I think he probably wondered if we're going to destroy ourselves.
Within the next decade no matter what happens when you have when you have weapons that can destroy all of civilization, especially now with hydrogen bowels. Mmm. It's it's complicated talk about anything like alien
technology. Yeah. Well, I think that's probably I mean if I was an alien,
And I was paying attention to Earth. It's probably why would visit and be like these chimps are in this weird stage of evolution where they're still chimps. They're still behaving like territorial Apes, but now they have nuclear technology. They have this very crude version of the literally the power of the sun.
Well, that's what okay. So here's another hypothesis. They saw these destructive weapons. And so they actually in Roswell plant or
Ever it is planted piece of technology that we should figure out they'll be an infinitely powerful generator of Love versus destruction. So they're like, okay these chimps are not going down the wrong path. Let us plant some stuff where they figure out like how to be enlightened mushrooms mushroom. That's what that's what they did.
I mean if we tried that
because they kind of it's where you know from their perspective The Chimps are like a nice video game like there or like a Chia Pet where you watch them like grow.
Wow, and they probably I mean that's what we would do if we encounter maybe like an ant colony and we saw that the in colonies destroying itself, you know us from a scientific perspective would want to them to not become extinct. So probably interfere in some way to try to prevent the in Colony from destroying itself. That's so that you know as a curiosity as a cosmic you feel
Earth is a cosmic curiosity from the perspective of an intelligent alien species. Like that's a really interesting what's going on there. Let's let's see what's happening
a friend of mine told me the story that he saw two mounds of fire ants and that he did this experiment where he took a bucket and he scooped up ants from one fire ant colony and scooped up ants from the other and then dump them on the opposite colonies.
And watch them fight to the
death
and I was like fuck really goes. Yeah, they instantaneously knew that those ants were from the wrong colony and they just went to war
and there's a I don't know if you've there's a few good books on ants they have like a collective intelligence. Yeah, because we tend to think of the individual ants but somehow as an organism to get together in the thousands of ants millions of ants there's somehow a collective emergence that
A collective intelligence that emerges like there's this whole field of computer science called ant colony optimization. Like if we just simulate nature-inspired optimization algorithms, they somehow figure out how to do stuff in an emergent way. Don't really understand it. We don't have mathematics to deal with like when you have a bunch of when you have a bunch of distributed organisms and doing doing dumb stuff.
Just looking at their neighbors when you look at the system as a whole intelligent stuff emerges. Mmm. That's that there's a I don't do you know who Stephen Wolfram is no any chance? Well, you know who Eric Weinstein is yeah. So there are quite Stein is under the million intelligent think he does. He's also a mathematical physicist. So he has like a theory of everything that you've talked to him about or he blew your mind with your meds.
Unni there's another guy really? Brilliant Guy Stephen Wolfram. He's a physicist. He created WolframAlpha that like everybody uses in high school for to do their homework in calculus is it's a you can ask it a bunch of questions like how much this Joe Rogan way or something like the kit has I don't know. I don't know if you can I don't know if he knows about Joe Rogan, but it might be interesting. That's it. Well, yes, it has like his huge knowledge base.
Yeah, maybe it doesn't know individual people.
But it's able to
integrate it really. Well, so like you can do math on this information that's really important thing. So you can do like, you know can calculate the you know, the average population of Austin because as the information of number of people the number the area all that whatever it's a really useful tool, but he also came out with this wool from physics project recently where he describes its another theory of
Everything. Do you know what a Theory of Everything Is it's a it's a it's a unification of all the different laws of physics. So that with one Theory you can describe everything that's happening around us. And the reason I bring that up because we're talking about ants Stephen wolfram's idea. He has this like of in like he has this model of the universe. That's this What's called the hypergraph as this really simple system that grows with a single rule like it expands it starts from just
Just a couple of points that are connected with a line and then it grows with a single simple rule just like ants interact really simply this system grows and his theory is that it can grow into create our entire universe like from it. It doesn't have a concept of space or time like we perceive it the four-dimensional the three dimensional space and the fourth dimension of time, but all of that emerges within the system we chimps are 1 in 10 to the 120.
Of that that incredible infrastructure that grows in like mathematically describes the way this thing grows this we don't currently have good mathematics for modeling the Wayside systems grow. There's something called cellular automata where it's really a called Game of Life. Unfortunately John Conway that created the game of Life from died recently from covid. It describes this very simple system where from simple rules you
Can have incredible complexity and so really cool idea that our universe started from like basically like one ant and then or actually two aunts and then their interaction creates a system. That's so incredibly complex. Even though the underlying rules are simple. That's we don't understand why the hell that happens. We humans as but from the scientific perspective, we know how to describe like a single system the way an object.
Moves we don't have a math or even a science of describing how trillions of objects move when they interact simply with each other. We don't know how to do that. But that's what seems to happen. When you look at we know how to you know psychology can describe the behavior of a single human. Well, we don't have a science of is the describe what happens when billion humans interact. Hmm. I don't know if that kind of makes sense but like the it's called a complexity.
The study of
complexity. What is this Jamie? This is sort of this is what
hypergraph him. He started explanations of all this sort of stuff. So if you love it, so if you look at any of those if you zoom in on any of those graphs, I mean when the previous page the previous one was really good. So if you zoom in on any of those below you see all these beautiful little graphy things below it there is like two boxes and and that describes a rule of
If you see a pattern left expanded to the pattern on the right and the entirety so his hypothesis is one of these rules created the universe where this little rule of if you see a pat on the left create a pat on the right, it creates these incredibly Rich graphs from which emerged this the he's modeling all of quantum mechanics of general relativity. So Theory of Everything need to unify the physics of the big
Which is general relativity special relativity and then the physics of the really small which is quantum mechanics and he would then those grass is able to find the emergence of these theories first the emergence of space and time then the mean everything you need to describe for Quantum field Theory all that kind of stuff. It's trippy go back to those
images. That was a bunch of really cool ones. Hmm. Is that him right
there. Nope. Who's that guy surprise?
Just a guy
those those images that you showed in that graph. Like, you know, that reminds me of Remember the movie arrival.
Yeah, he was a wolf. Okay, he was the design of the
language. Well, that makes sense. Yeah, so he was
tasked such a cool task as a physicist. Oh my God, like can you design a method by which the aliens might be communicating with
us? God being that looks like it in or similar to
but there is a math behind it. So the the language he developed.
There was a mathematical relations to the language. Haman is son.
You know when you get this far down the intellectual Rabbit Hole when you go that means how many people actually understand this to the point where they can they could read it describe it accurately.
This is interesting. That's the that's the problem with The Theory of Everything is very few physicists really understand like the the details involved with tell you have to be it's the same as the order of
You have professional comedians. I would say it's like thousands maybe maybe less than on the whole planet on the whole planet, but the cool thing about the Wolfram thing is set physics aside. It's just the the part that a lot of people can understand and I highly recommend like Curious undergrads and really you don't need to know how to program. They understand how those beautiful things and the language in the the movie arrival you can grow.
From simple rules you can play with it. Like it's a it's one of the most beautiful in terms of maybe take some mushrooms and like if you want to see a beautiful concept is have a system that's really simple like a few dots like a tic-tac-toe board and have rules that apply to that board that are really simple one simple rule and like the beautiful patterns that
emerge like give me an example of a rule like that.
So the rule for The Game of Life
Is for like something like a tic-tac-toe board is a cell that's white is dead. So that's black is alive. Let's say and when three of the cells neighbors are also alive, then you live on otherwise you die. Meaning you'd flip, you know, okay, so you what when you have three neighbors, I might be getting the exact rule wrong for the game of life, but when you weren't you
Only each cell only looks at its neighbors and when a certain number of neighbors is alive. I think it's three then you continue being black you continue being alive. Otherwise you die. It's a live die and all you're just a single cell sitting there and you live and die basing your neighbors. Okay, let's dump. I mean, it's very simple you think what can be created from that and you can create everything in the known universe from that so like people have created computers from that from touring machine.
Like the patterns that emerge you can create all these kinds of fractals you think like it would create some kind of repeatable regular pattern or something like that would be something dumb but it can create these like like that. It is one one really important thing is the cell just knows about itself. It doesn't move. It just knows about itself but when you zoom out and you look at the result from the system, it looks like there's objects running around like the individual cells aren't running around but it looks like the object.
Running around you can have Messengers you can have what are called spaceships which are these mechanisms that use the cells and and move around like if you have any gifts or videos of it, like there's stuff that moves and it seems like it's intelligent objects that communicate with each other and all of that emerges you can see like if you just think about it a little bit like you have to remind yourself that see like this animation right there. It looks like there's a moving object like it looks so, I think these are called glider.
Guns or something like that where they shoot off objects of different kinds and like you think but the individual cell knows nothing about anything except itself and its nearest neighbors. And as a result, you can nevertheless have arbitrary complexity objects of arbitrary size that move around live and die like that. Like I said do any kind of computation in the world. It makes you realize that it's possible.
That this universe is just some simple dumb rules on a scale of 10 to the 120 like an ant colony just that just scaled are like an insane lie to an arbitrary degree. And then we're just there was we're like this clueless Apes that are just the result of that. We're not able to perceive at all the that, you know much much smaller level the Simplicity. That's
Opening to us all of the seams.
Like it all does it seems complicated to us like this table seems like it's wood in it. We don't perceive the atoms. We don't perceive the quantum mechanics. You don't perceive whether String Theory or something like Wolfram and saying like these objects that are interacting at a microscope far smaller than microscopic level, but it might be that they're really simple rules. They just create all of this. It seems complicated to us, but the it's something that's I think is
To appreciate for people from all walks of life how much complexity be created from Simplicity from Simple Rules how much richness Beauty just could be created from Simple
Rules, isn't it? Also really interesting that everything tends to move towards greater and greater complexity.
Well, so this is I think really important and it's surprising in general the second law.
ER thermodynamics says that everything becomes more cat chaotic. So it's not complex. It becomes more boring the heat death of the universe that everything moves apart. Everything becomes rather intial eventually, but the thing is that there's pockets of complexity and the these Pockets keep getting created of some interesting stuff. That's a little like chimps like interesting stuff keeps getting create. It's not obvious that that should
be the case, but just life in general. I think you go from single celled organisms you
from bacteria to what we know now as human beings just think of that all the different steps that had to take place and it moves towards greater and greater complexity greater and greater ability to manipulate their environment greater and greater ability to understand tools and 3D space and and how to manipulate things one of the things that I've always been fascinated about with the concept of aliens is what if what if the general direction that
We're leaning in as a society. Like if you think about human beings today, we're so much more civilized than human beings were 5,000 years ago. We're a different thing. You know, we're less murderous. We're less less inclined to be physical. We have much more access to inventions much more access to technology technology was not existing back that we have electricity. We have computers. We have all these different things but it's moving in this direction more rapidly now,
The never before in terms of the innovation of objects and ideas if you go back to a computer like I remember I got a flat screen computer for the first two. I don't remember when it was but I remember I looked at one in 1995. I think it was it was like $20,000 in 95 and it was basically the size of that panel and it was like a flat forget what the technology was the time was an LCD or plasma that's
What it was it was a plasma television and it looks like dog shit, but it was thin fairly thin but today we look like a brick like a crude mud-brick that someone made the jungle and looked like terrible and I was like, that's ridiculous. I'm not spending that much money on that fucking thing. That's crazy. So I got a regular TV, but now you can get a TV like that for nothing you like you get a TV that size. That's far better like an LCD screen beautiful 4K Pro like a hundred bucks or something like that. It's amazing.
Much the technology has changed and how much better. It's got many years. Yeah, that's a blink of an eye terms of the history of the world. Right? And then you stop and think about iPhone one. I phoned one was 10 years ago 13 now 2007 and it looks terrible you ever pick one up. I still have one. I found one on when I was moving out here. I found an old phone in mind. I'm like, look at this nigga shit. It's crazy. It's small its clunky the screen looks terrible the cameras dog shit. It's just everything about
it slow awkward. Now you go to what I have now. I've iPhone 11 and it's 11 years 13 years later. It's infinitely better. It's so much better the camera the zoom capability and then there's this giant technological race for Samsung's coming out with a new note 20 Ultra with fucking 200 x Zoom where all these different things that are happening with its we're in this weird technology race, if you looked at this from afar you need some what is this
Organism do what is this? Human organism do well, it does a lot of things it creates culture it has, you know different rules and religions in this. Okay? Okay. Okay, but what does it do? What's the end result bees make honey? What do people do they make technology and one of the things that we do in terms of like keeping up with the Joneses materialism all these different weird traits that human beings have what they lend themselves to is technological innovation because if you're a materialist you want the newest latest greatest thing like what year
Is that car 2018 you haven't seen the 2021 so much better like and like 2018 cars fucking fine. I think it'll get you around. But if you want to impress people you got to have the 2021. Well, one of the things that's weird about people is how materialistic we are. So materialistic there's so many Instagram pages that are just filled with people with nice houses and let me look at my shit. Look at all my watches. Look at my this looking like that. I mean, this is a the thing that drives it drives consumers.
It drives Commerce and commerce drives Innovation Innovation drives technology Technologies. What we create we just do it in a weird way. We do it through sex. We do it through social status. We do it through the need for respect for Envy all these different things. But all of that really does do is drive technology and that's ultimately the end of the
line. If you look at the big history one of the quotes that Elon tweeted
Is from under Carpathia the head of Tesla autopilot. Shout out to Andre one of the great machine learning Engineers of our time, but his quote was if you bombard Earth with photons long enough eventually will emit a Tesla like you basically if you look from the very Origins, it's like you just the sun just needed to provide some energy to this thing like heating up a little bit and eventually they'll start creating Tesla's and then emit them into space little ghoul start to have like rockets it.
Was that true? Yeah, it's true
Hayden has happened
so and but it's accelerating. Yes is why I mean again the Elan sort of exponential growth idea. I mean, it just seems to be getting faster and faster and faster and which is US humans aren't able to reason that way like most of the technology we see around us is about a hundred years worth a hundred fifty electricity radio TV almost of the medical Innovations from antibiotics to to
I mean just every sort of its assets to surgery to all the kinds of the two most of the Innovations in biology and chemistry modern physics even so obviously computers internet all of that. So that's a hundred years hundred fifty years maybe and it's accelerating and so all our ability to think like what is good possible the next 10 20 years is flawed. I mean, that's one like we talked about neural.
That's why there's a lot of people kind of.
You know unable to reasonable like we're how quickly people in the scientific Community are aware of how little or how limited our understanding of the human brain is on the neurobiological level. Just Neuroscience just the basic functional at the functional level like how the brain functions and so they think like well many of the possibilities that are especially exciting with the
A brain computer interfaces like with neural link is must be a hundred twenty hundred two hundred three hundred years away. But the way things are accelerating is very possible that it's 50 years away 30 years away like the the ability to to digitize memories, you know to be able to replay Memories the digitized like Ray Kurzweil dreams about digitize the minds of humans so immortality, you know,
No, like I mentioned Sara Seager people should check out her new book. It's about more but jeez She searches for exoplanets planets. She was one of the key people in discovering new exoplanets and Proxima Centauri is the closest that we think of Earth-like planet or at least habitable planet out there and that seems to be too far away unless you're able to digitize humans. So as she said the easiest way to travel to that
To that planet to see if there's extraterrestrial life out there is to digitize a human and send them on a ship it because you can then travel much much faster than we could otherwise it's and you can have multi generational obviously travel because a digital form of a human Mind Of Consciousness intelligence all that kind of stuff, you know, it could travel for so for Millennia, right? And so that's that's an
exciting possibility and most people would say that, you know, we don't really understand much about the mind and in order to understand enough about the mind to be able to digitally convert it to digitally store it and be able to ship it to Proxima Centauri would be centuries one of the exciting things about neural link to me in the long term is that they're really pushing instead of making it centuries making it decades just like
The bringing together the best engineers and scientists in the world and saying this is this there's this there's a this is ripe with Innovation. There's a possibility here to do something truly special not only to understand the not only to help people with neurological disorders, which is a huge obviously goal Mission a dream to alleviate suffering.
that's a that's as good of a mission for a group of scientists as any but also that we can understand the mind we can expand different capacities of the mind like expand intelligence expand Consciousness the spend all the different kinds of capabilities of the mind and be able to digitally store that mind so understand it to a degree to where we can copy it to we can store it to it can transmit it out to distant stars and to meet our
in friends in digital form that you know, that's a mind-blowing mission for for us chimps.
Yep. That's what I wonder when I think about alien life and Doug that Tic Tac UFO the David favor saw like the idea that that would be biological that there would be some sort of biological life inside of it seems a little retro,
right? So everything about that seems retro bought our interpretation of it.
One thing is David's General inclination is I think he said on your podcast with them is like he wants to fly that thing in his first thought was like I want to fly that
thing that's like finding an animal another plan. I want to fuck it. Is that a giraffe? Fuck that space giraffe liked my question to him was
like, why did you think that's something you could fly? Yeah like that to me seems Preposterous that it could be a thing that could be flied.
To it's Preposterous to me that there's an actual alien on board. It could be just the reconnaissance. I
mean what could be what life becomes one of the things that I've been thinking about when it comes to neural link and and all sorts of medical Innovations in terms of artificial limbs and different Prosthetics that people are able to concoct today. We're how close are we did those being better than the biological Alternatives? Right? Like how close are we to that like if you lose
I'm they actually give you a Six Million Dollar Man arm. That's better. Remember that movie that TV show. Yeah, Steve Austin a man barely alive. Remember that do you not old
enough? Well, and I when I was born in the Soviet Union, so we didn't have any of that those
properties there was a movie was a TV show was about it was an awesome TV show for me when I was a kid about a guy who was I think was a fighter pilot news in a crash and they rebuilt him with artificial Parts, but the artificial Parts the I'd like
legs you can run 60 miles an hour. He had a hand. It could fucking just Crush you with his hand. He it was wild stuff man. It was fun, but it was just science fiction television. But if they do get to a point where they have legs that work better than your legs and they feel like your legs like I have friends that have fake hips. I have friends that have resurfaced hips and resurface knees where they've you know, terrible arthritis or cartilage damage and they just replaced.
The part and now they work networks. Great. They can they can do things like my friend was bad hip he runs with a bat with this fake hip John Wayne par the Muay Thai kickboxer. He he's throwing kicks now with his fake hip he just got his his leg was fixed two months ago. I think and is on his Instagram is got him throwing high kicks with with this resurfaced left leg. It's crazy. When when is it going to come?
Point in time where they can replace your eyes with better versions of what you have now and they work better like it's not I know you're scared but it's no big deal. It's like glasses but it's way better. We're going to put these things in in where your eyes used to be the magnetic women. Love them. If you don't have them you can look at the loser will use biological eyes. What if these things that we're seeing are the ultimate
Symbiotic interaction of biology or the initial biology and Technology would have neural link is just one step in to us essentially giving up our biological Heritage and becoming a part of of the future. This idea of artificial life is a weird word, right? Because it's not artificial. It's right there. It's real. It's maybe it's made with things that are different than cells but
It's still life. It's a thing like if you can create, you know the Turing test right like you could create something that seems so real and interacts with you and can trick you and it can trick someone who thinks like the movie ex machina your inner like the guy fell in love with that robot lady and you would too. She was hot and she's seem like really nice, you know, like like why am I so hung up on biology? What's the big deal? You know if that becomes
What people are if you can download your Consciousness into something that looks like a human being and that your Consciousness rides around in this?
Creation this technological creation. Maybe that's what aliens are and maybe that's what we need to do to get past these territorial ape instincts that we have to like look at a spaceship and go I want to fly that let's look at an animal. I want to fuck it, you know like to the entire idea of wanting to go over to a place and dominate it. You know,
I think the one of the key things we need to we might be able to get past is the eye in that sentence and concept of individuality. Yeah. Awesome.
like I'm a there's an idea and like I am this meat bucket that that's like that somehow is special and unique and so on that we go the ego the Consciousness like it feels like something to be me as opposed to like maybe I'm just like a little finger tip of a much larger organism like and be able to see it like, you know, it's very possible that that what intelligent life forms look like
is something much less individualistic like if we look at an colonies and if we think of the individual ants it's a very different way to think about life on Earth than the collection of the ants together or if you're like a look at the collection of the humans together as an intelligent organism combined with the technology that we're creating all of that becomes almost a single organism that's becoming more and more intelligent that the idea that there is a
Hard line between biology and digital technology that we're developing it really from an outsider's perspective that line doesn't exist. We're all an interesting complicated mush that doesn't have a concept of individuals doesn't have a concept of ego or individual consciousnesses. It's all one thing and we're just adding more to it and you know with neural link it's not
You know people kind of think that there's going to be some kind of leap into the totally transformative, you know, a thing that totally changes the very nature of our civilization. I think it'll just all be gradual just like for my phone one and two and three all this technology will slowly expand our capabilities. It won't just like the human eye develop through Evolution the I developed the revolution. It was gradual. It wasn't like it just appeared.
And it just something that slowly allowed you to sense the environment better and better and better and better and eventually something as nice and crisp and sexy as the human eye emerged and you know, the other concern people have is with like surgery and so on that that's that's also really, you know, it's a difficult thing like I got LASIK surgery, for example, you mentioned eyes that was a scary thing to get.
Yeah. Imagine when you got it
five years ago, maybe.
To go
as is like a lot of people talk about it is you know, when I woke up next morning I could see I could see for the first time it was beautiful and it was like I was kind of angry that I didn't do it earlier. I was that's what a lot of people describe as their experience. Now what happened week later is I forgot what it's like to not be that I took it for granted basically a day later, but like a week later it was like
I wasn't I already forgot the entire magic of the experience and that's what I think we'll just keep happening is there's this gradual little step this little this little leap into a future that everyone will go and say wow this kind of cool and and then they'll forget it was cool. And then they'll go back on Twitter to complain about some some divisiveness that's happening in politics today
still L. Just constantly. Yeah,
you know, we'll all of a sudden have capability.
Have some extra level of telepathic communication for example in 40 years and then people would just be like just like we got used to swipe writing on the phone. They'll you know, at first it'll be like first people would be like, I don't know. I don't I don't want it. I'm not sure. I want the government to know what I'm thinking next. They'll just like try it out be like,
oh that's kind of cool much easier to
type on Twitter and then next it'll just be like that's it. We're all just communicating telepathically and all happened, you know, there's still be so many.
Pros to it to not not ever be able to lie. I mean if we're forced out, I mean one of the biggest problems with people's being deceptive like we have this ability to communicate we use sounds that relay intent and then you listen, you know, you go into your own dictionary and your own concept of what these words mean and then you you convey what you think I'm saying you interpret what you think I'm saying, but I could be a bullshit artist, right?
a lot of people are like when you talk to someone who's a psychic and they say you you have a relationship with
There's a woman. Yeah, there's a woman keep talking. She you're not close, but you should be theirs. Yes. Yes, we should be was this person in your
life. It's my
mother. I'm yeah and you've got you go, but you know I'm saying like this is what that is. If you could really look into their head and go. Hey, fuck face. You don't see anything. You're lying to me. You're pulling on my heartstrings. You know, I'm lonely you're trying to manipulate.
People hate me so that you can make money or you're talking to my dead mom, you know, like your mother wants you to be happy. She wants you to donate your money to charity like this person not really talking to your mom. They're liars. And there's a lot of those people out there all that would go away all the bank fraud and manipulation politics and all that'll go away a politician won't be able to lie cause you'll be to look right in their fucking head. You'll be able to like, oh, they don't care at all about America or
hey, he's a really good person that really does think that we can get along. We really can work together. We have enough resources. We should behave as a community as a giant 300 million people community and that's possible. It can be done and look at this that guy's a murderer. We didn't even know this guy's walking around. He murdered three people little bit of a see people to see into people's minds you'll be able to know this is all all this stuff is incredibly tempting when you think of something like neurolink or you know, once there's something like that they'll
Multiple different versions of it after the after a while when those Innovations start to roll out the what will give up. It'll be just like all the other aspects of Technology. We will give some things up and they'll be a bunch of people to do reminisce for the Retro days. Like all the good old days when you wanted to send a letter you have to write it down on paper and a dude in a horse like a fucking like, who's that dude Kevin Costner movie The Postman member that posed a terrible fucking movie, but post-apocalyptic.
The postman was like the most important guy because he can get get your letters put that kind of shit. Like we give up something to get this new thing and then we decided this new thing like know very few people are giving up their cell phones and going to flip phones very few. People are going no fault at all. Very few. Yeah, right. There's what about Jamie.
We're just read the poster real quick. I put up on
this. Oh the year 2000 to 2013.
One band walked off the Horizon and hope came with him. I love Coke. Oh,
you know what the greatest movie of all time is water
world, huh? No, it's not. It's terrible movie. But you know, what's good the Waterworld show at Universal in Hollywood, but I don't think they can do it anymore. I think California. So goddamn Draconian their restrictions, I think they've got it locked down but as it that water world movie is that is Citizen Kane compared to the postman.
Post met is a steaming pile of shit. It's so bad. It is a really bad movie, but somehow actually Kevin Costner's
can make really bad movies and make them somehow
watchable. She makes really great movies to Dances with Wolves fucking incredible and that's all him. You know, he's made some awesome stuff. No doubt about it. I like
I mean you make the pros and cons. I let I really like the replay of memory. I don't know if that connects with you,
but
Remember that the idea of that like I remember it sounds weird. But so like this what I got a chance to talk to you on afterwards and he had this funny comment. He thinks in weird ways, right but his comment was that if we one day we'll be able to replay memories. I wonder if this is a memory that you and I would choose and it made me think like I certainly would because you
Oh, there's this momentous like out probably replay this very podcast in my in my mind. This is this experience. I remember, you know, you do this a lot. But for me, it was a special experience. I was sitting with you and Eric Weinstein the back of the comedy store. I remember during that moment. I'm awkward and scared and nervous. I remember thinking like like I didn't I didn't want to take pictures, but I wanted to like store this hmm, because if
Felt like a historic moment. Just that line up. It was like the who's who of Comedy doing just short little bits of Comedy that entire night. It just felt like it felt like history. Like I was I stepped into the Coliseum like in got to hang out with a Gladys Gladiators. And if I mean, I'm not to be sort of it felt like that had to end at some point I get Russian I start to like think about how is this going to end but if I like is this is gonna
I have to end eventually this is an well you were right.
What's I didn't end it with the virus is
a virus and it's an end of an era. But those are special moment and I would want to replay that it's
hard. I have similar feelings about how special it was but it was hard for me in the moment to think about it because although I did appreciate it as much as I could in the moment, you can't dwell on it too much because you're in the middle of the creative process like
Then of Comedy is an Ever Changing constantly evolving process when I have an act I get it to a point where I can imagine recording it and then I recorded then I start over but during the whole time of making it I'm always tweaking it. It's never done. It's just it's constantly being fucked with them constantly putting this first in that second and switching the order and and doing this part of the bit in the beginning and then switching it to the
the end and then adding something and maybe maybe being more sneaky with how I reveal the punch line or how I do this and that and so there's this is process is constantly going on. You can't go. I mean I know and I knew during a time like this really is the Golden Age of Comedy. It's in a very special time in this very special place. I knew that but I also knew that I couldn't think of that. I can't just had to keep moving
but what about that's the comedy side, but what about the
I mean the the back of the comedy store is the the
camaraderie of it like
how when is the next time say we reopen the economy? When is the next time there's going to be all those comedians showing up regularly to one place.
A lot of us is moved. Unfortunately, Joey Diaz moved to New Jersey for now.
What is that about?
What what do you think you
is slowly becoming The Sopranos?
Listen, once the winter kicks in and he understands that he
Fucked up. I'm going to call him. I'm gonna I'm gonna present Texas as a viable opportunity. Hopefully by then. I'll have a club here. The the number one goal. See the goal was to get here set up shop put together this studio. Okay, we got that going we're up and running now goal. Number two is a comedy club goal. Number three is a ranch goal number three is we have a podcast Ranch and we do all kinds of wacky shit there. You gotta come back - we're gonna we're gonna
Duncan Trussell going to live on the ranch. Fuck. Yeah guaranteed. Duncan will come by the way greatest. I
mean as just a fan Duncan is I heard you try to talk him into moving to Austin
and he wants to move to North Carolina though. That's where he's from, you know, he's from Asheville and I think he is designs on that. But if I could talk him into moving here one thing I know we were both talking about doing a television show or doing a podcast rather doing a
A show together under why I said television show but he and I doing a show together like a regular show like maybe once a week just just me and him sit down and shooting the shit talking about life once a week. I think we have a weird connection he and I we've known each other for so long. He's to be my roommate. He lived in my house for a little bit and you know, I've known him since he was a the guy who answered the phones The Comedy Store. Yeah, you know, I've known forever so the be glib beginning of his comedy career and you know, we've always been real close.
Those and we're together we bring out something weird and each other.
Yeah, I mean the positivity they brings he just says this weirdly positive. Yeah you of the world. Yeah. Yeah, like the old like just like the crazy theories he has about the way the world is I mean, yeah, he's a special human being here under guy exists.
I meet you. Yeah. I love Joey Diaz the other side of that. Yeah, he's chaos. Joey Diaz is chaos if there was a you know like a
An element called chaos, and it had like a physical manifestation where you could like see like and like an avatar of chaos. It's Joey Diaz. He was always bring the party. I always said whenever we go on the road Joey Diaz bring brings the party. He was always the guy that was just like like if we were out at dinner Joey was always stealing the show. He was always the funniest guy. The room is always the madman and he also Joey Diaz works best when people love him like when he's around people who love
When he knows he could just be himself and so, you know, all these crazy stories and Preposterous exaggerations over-the-top exaggerations about things. It's all done for comedy. That's him. I think
you know when you watch great chess Champions play against each other eyes or like great like Muhammad Ali versus Frazier was the moment when I saw Joey go against Alex Jones and I thought cuz cuz you say crazy. I thought like I thought like Alex Jones.
This is the what is it? The Frazier like there's you know, there's no way you can take that guy down in the with the art of
conversation for Joey just changed to come apart. Well, it was back when Alex was on the radio to so Joey's talking about storing weed under his balls and sneak it in on a flight to Texas and
Alex funny enough was censoring so
I know it was like well this isn't real. Hang on just joking around ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, you know and there's a lot of those characteristics.
The Comedy Store, it's a special place you miss it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do but it doesn't exist right now and I'm a realist, you know, and also the the place that existed in Los Angeles is not the same Los Angeles that place is fucked right now. It's fucked in the mayor's fucked in the governor's fucked and they've done a terrible job of managing the pandemic and the place is in Ruins. It's a mess a lie is a mess.
It's
How does it get unfucked? I think it's going to take years. So here's my worried. So you have a different. You know, I like, you know, The Comedy Store my worry I got not to brag. It's very weird. But I got recognized on the way to here four times was weird. Congratulations is very weird. Listen. I'm done. You're a celebrity fuck you,
but I've never been recognized like that. But on this podcast how many times now five times? So do you how many millions?
People seen you. Yeah.
Yeah, and I've the pike. I mean the podcast I do is a little more technical. So like the kind of people that they don't it's I can see the difference between the people who recognized me from Rogan and the people recognize it from the podcasts. I do it's it's a different like they're usually just like you say shaved head tattoos versus for like the Jutsu like
cauliflower ears right
bro, and actually women too but then for guys if you could tell like
Okay. This guy's is co some company or like it's a programmer. That's more.
Do you wear that suit and tie everywhere when you travel suit solo travel usually because I hate traveling. I'll go jeans and shirt be okay. Well, that's a trick. That's my pajamas. Yeah, that's how you sneak by. Yeah, because with the this suit is a uniformly recognized
me through the with the mask to it's weird that was wierd thats wierd. What makes you think like? Oh, yeah. I recognize you from the eyes and the hair cut anyway, but the
Bring that up that was weird apologize. Now. It's the they meant to of the people actually mention that they're leaving San Francisco because the tech people and their said one of them moved to Austin and they said that the people are fleeing San Francisco to fleeing flee police the term
flea. Yeah, and that's the right term because San Francisco is insane. You know, San Francisco is an app where you can find the human shit in the city because it's so numerous.
It's so prevalent. You don't so many bombs are shitting in the streets that they have apps.
I like how you went to that. I was referring to some another aspect of it, which is it's not even San Francisco. It's the entirety of Silicon Valley, which is there's a very much a group think yes that moved away from a meritocracy of where we want to innovate and change the world with our ideas to a little bit more like, you know, I don't know how to put it but I kind of group think that pushes against
That and so people are trying to get your
again said how so well
it I mean, that's what Jordan Peterson talks about. It's the identity politics tends to try to silence the desire within people to judge based on meritocracy of based on skill based on hard work based on passion. So on it changes the the topic of the conversation in a way that moves like if you're
kid guy or girl who dreams of changing the world you start a start-up like the last thing you want to be talking about is the last thing you want to be doing is playing identity politics. What you want is hire the best people for the job men or women and you want to change the world. You don't want to be playing playing discussions that are like that are going on in gender studies parts of Academia. And so there's a kind of group think that I think holds
You back with in places like Silicon Valley within certain parts of Academia. I think these are important conversations to be had but they need to be had by new on in Nuance without being a bully. So most of the people that play identity politics Twitter they talk about, you know, all really good things. They carry the flag of Justice a fairness of of equality of respect and love for but like they that's like the flag but what they do is they bully there's a
A toxic nature to it. They attack I get attacked actually for for you know, not having an equal distribution of women on the podcast where I interview that's something I work very much on Hudak sir for this, you know, a small percentage of people on Twitter, but they and I ignore I never respond and I always send telepathically love. I mean, that's all I can do there. There's two things one. There's
We've been paying in their past they're hurting and to it's probably from their perspective enjoyable that social game to say I want I want the world to be more fair. Yeah and saying that and then everybody like assess congratulate sthere themselves and each other for saying I want the world to be more fair what they don't realize is by saying by calling somebody like me of fraud or or sexist.
It is absurd is it you're just you're putting hate out there as opposed to love like I'm annoyingly tweeting about love all the time.
Like
I even annoy myself sometimes because I'll have a mood where I'm like I've tweeted before like life is beautiful. I legitimately I was sitting like three at night and like with a stupid smile on my face and just like, this is awesome life is awesome. It was probably caused awesome and then and if you call me a fraud
I'd like that's not the right place for the movement. They do that because I'm probably an easy target because I'm like look, there's a nice guy. He looks weak like they think I'm weak and I'm in a space of social justice warriors on Twitter. I am weak. I wish we lived in the land in a place of like where with equality and fairness I could fight people to the death based on things. Like I can Gladiators like stand in front of each other as long as it's consensual I would love
Love to fight to the death for the ideas. I believe in but on Twitter, it's not that's not the battleground of ideas. It's a it's a weird weird place.
So you're disconnected from actual real human interaction. It's not it's an unnatural way to communicate. So one of the things we were talking about about neural link or something along those lines that we could get to a place where you could actually read someone's thoughts. I mean, do you know how gross it would look if you could actually see virtue signaling and it's it is
In actual like clear manifestation like oh I see what you're doing. I read your mind. You're hoping someone's going to Love You by saying mean things you're hoping that women are going to say thank you for being a champion of women Mike, you know, like for standing up that Lex doesn't have enough of us on his podcast. We need equal representation. We need equality of outcome, you know, and this is this is what identity politics is all about. It's all about calling people out, but really what it's about is.
Finding targets and attacking and very little gets done in a positive way. If you look at like what's the positive aspect of identity politics? Like what's over the course of the last five years what good has been done when people are terrified and know a lot of people who attack people and Twitter, but how much good has been
done? Well, it's complicated like I think about the reason okay. I always try to find the silver lining and things and the way I think about it. First of all, I've become more conscious of
Fact that there's douchebags in this world in terms of there was a lot of sexism in Academia, for example, just like boys club stuff like that. It's just fundamentally disrespectful towards women that's out there. There's douchebags and there are often. You know, how I'd like, Joe Biden touches like people's hair. Yeah. There's a creepiness to the way people behaved and I think they have
power it power whenever people have
power they behave in a weird way if you're a guy and you're a professor like traditionally professors fuck their students, right? I mean, it's a the most one of the most common things was like the professor in the graduate
student. Let's like rephrase that
because I don't know sixties the
seventies. I don't know if that's traditional but I do I have
seen but we know it's common comment. It was very very very common now,
He can get you in deep shit. Yeah, now I can get you D platform didn't get you fired by the
university. It has a lot of downsides because you're getting in the way of love but as an upside that you get in the way of douchebags. So let's cancel culture at you know, you have Jordan Pederson getting millions of views highlighting the Ridiculousness of canceled culture. But at the same time Cancel culture also helps highlight the real douche bags out there the reacts the you know, the the
Ridiculous aspects the over taught the over extension of the me to movement is arguably worth the positives created ultimately all the ultimate. So maybe not in the moment, but
not the people that were wrongly accused. But if you look 20 years
from now, it would probably lead to
progress. Yeah. It's like saying Genghis Khan was good for trade. He opened up the path trade to the
east. Well, I mean people and people make the same argument for him.
There. Yeah, he rebuilt the German economy and those so that argument nobody makes the argument that like on the overall Hitler was good for
the human
but like in so I don't think but you know,
yeah, I think I think you're right. I think overall it's good. It's good that listen. I'm not a woman working in an office with a boss that is treating me like shit and wants to fuck me and sexually harassing me and I would imagine that would make your life hell
so I can imagine if I was a woman and I had to kiss some guy's ass in order to get a promotion and this guy would make disgusting remarks about me and try to fuck me it would or worse or actually physically do something to you. I would imagine be terrible so that look I'm fully in support of that. I've daughters man. I don't want them to ever have to experience that kind of shit again. I'm glad that people they have to be accountable for things like that that we do make
I think workplaces in general right? First of all everybody. It sucks. No one wants to be stuck in some place all day, but they'll also you have this weird culture in these workplaces where you're around all these other people and these people you see sometimes more than you see your own family. You're around an eight hours a day and you don't even get to pick them right there. Just the people that you automatically work with and if you're a woman and you're in a situation where you have to work with some man who has power over you and is abusive.
Be hell
the you know as a workplace kind of interesting because I don't know what to do with it. Because a lot of people find love in the workplace. Yeah, is this true to I as a rule like never like I turned out that part of my brain off at the work place because I feel it's as such a difficult game to play but I've been hit on by co-workers like in a positive not a power thing but like your clothes. Yeah you want to and then I was always running.
Away from that because like what I imagined in my head is what happens when we break up, right? What happens what like if we have a fight? Mmm, like which is human relations. They like the drama of that it's hard to get right and I think the I mean from an individual perspective. I think you shouldn't you shouldn't play victim you should take the situation as as it is and make
sort of Rise Above It Whatever it is, whatever whatever the challenge whatever the difficulties whatever of the situation you're in you rise above it that it from from the individual perspective because life is hard the succeeding in a careers hard and to be stuck in the local Optima of just like of the playing victim and the victim Hood I think for the individuals not productive but as a society
Is a conversation we need to have like what who are the victims in our world? And how can we create a world that has fewer
victims? And one of the things that Jordan Pederson points out that I think it's really important to mention is that we haven't been doing this office thing that long and I mean why should like clarify? I don't know jack shit about working in office. I never worked in an office in my life, but I couldn't imagine what it would be like I understand people but that's all.
Weird thing man when men and women are sexually attracted to each other and they see each other every day like that very weird. It's very weird and to say they have to turn that off and it's admirable that you do but some people don't you know, some people don't some people have like weird fucking fetish history people they work with
their well and okay, so I'm a romantic in general. Yeah. Okay, but and but I'm also a guy like people who hear me especially your fans.
Who think I'm beta fuck, you know, I think I welcome you message me. Let's take it out on the map. Okay, so now I won't read the comments, but I'm just saying I'm not
big but you're actually telling them for dude. You just
do it joking, isn't this a joke unless you want to
okay, but if you you're going to read those comments, someone's going to be you are motherfucker where you go. Let's go
Broadway Jiu-Jitsu and boss.
Austin don't say that. Well, you actually steak right
there. But also
if you're interested in learning Jiu-Jitsu go to Broadway Jiu-Jitsu in Boston, which they're strong every gym is struggling but they open their doing the dance that everybody is doing which is like they're doing like socially distant training like possible. So it's do it in Massachusetts is different, but you could do private training which means they have these slots.
Of one hour where people show up and train. It's like I think three people are like two people they train and they keep what he called it every hour that do different different sets
of people moan. Do they test everybody
temperature check so they're doing everything the laws requires. So every Everybody every state is doing different than how
effective is the temperature Chuck. I mean, there's people that are asymptomatic to they have a high
temperature. It's not about what works and doesn't I'm applying it's about what
I mean from my perspective healthy people should do whatever the hell they want like to me. It means that let me let me rephrase that whoever is comfortable like the level I believe in Freedom or in Texas. Yes, these water bottles are made in
Texas other. It was crazy
the you should be able to choose to choose your actions and then people who are who are either have symptoms or people who are have
In a high-risk category, they should they should stay home. This should be isolating themselves, but there should be a little bit more freedom to Define how you interact with this world, especially at this time, especially where the curve is, but, you know, there's rules in Massachusetts. They are supposed to follow and jiu-jitsu.
They don't they don't understand they don't understand obviously Combat Sports or like, you know, Jiu-Jitsu is essential for like a lot of people like for their psychology. Yeah. There's people going
nuts right now. Yes the part of their who they are as a human is part of their
religion and and and it was also part of the way of exercising out their demons. Yes. And yeah, and now you have a lot of people sitting alone at home with their
demons,
Yeah, and and it's also a big part of their social life
social IV, huge part of their socializing
church and also physical touch. There's something about Jiu-Jitsu like the physical Touch of jujitsu. It's very it's very good for people even though you would think of it as like a violent interaction. There's actually so much camaraderie that's involved in Jiu-Jitsu. There's so much Community. There's so much friendship and love and Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, you're practicing killing each other but you're doing so
With good friends who are equally skilled iron sharpens iron and it's very important that you do like you want to roll with people that are challenging to you. You want them to be good you want them to try really hard. It's a part of the whole thing and you you feel very blessed. Like, you know, what happens after you're done rolling you always thank each other and hug each other and that's part of the culture in Jiu-Jitsu is a very friendly culture. You know, it's one of the things I love about Brazil and the Brazilians is that they're they're so friendly, it's like a big part of
Culture, it's like a big part of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. It's like the way the instructor interacts with the students. It's very friendly very
friendly. Yeah, and now that that's gone. What do you do? That's enough
for a lot of people they're going nuts. Yeah. It'd be
should go run. I reckon that's why I went to the Hogan's thing had been doing just I'm going nuts by
myself will explain what you did because it's pretty funny. Okay,
it's a dick is so first. I follow two people on Instagram you and that David Goggins, which is
you for the for the for the LOLs for the laughs and Goggins for like just to feel like a weak bitch one at one point in the spring if you get one it was he posted something about a 48-hour challenge. So where you run for Miles every four hours, so I did that. I never ran more than 22 miles before then as you did it now my whole methodology for doing these things is I announced it on Twitter.
So that like in the
moment you can't get out of it. I can't get out of it.
So so like I keep I saw that the the post on Instagram, I went to Twitter. I said it I'm excited, you know in my head not think I'm not allowing myself to think I said, we're just gonna do it and I'll figure out how to do it. And so I figured out how to do it. That was the worst idea ever. I don't recommend that
for Miles every four hours. So how long does it take you to run for miles
40
minutes? Let's say it is so you have a three hour plus
In a rest in between each Four Mile Run and you're sleeping for 3 hours at a time. So you could get up and
run. Yep. Yeah, so it's it's a mental test of your ability to do something really stupid for prolonged periods of time like because it's not it's not like running 48 miles one take that's actually probably easier the the the hard thing is run a little bit. You know for miles is pretty easy, especially at a slow pace and then like shower
Our depends maybe I showered almost every time which is another thing that's hard to do because you're like constantly showering and you're like, oh here we go. I almost didn't sleep at all. You slept like one hour at a time really and then I overate so I was eating carnivore still mostly eating carnivore at that time. So I was eating like I eat a giant rotisserie chicken like your brain starts convincing you that you need like the energy for the fuel so I felt like really blows.
Did and like you want to running with a chicken so in my stomach and then just like and then and then all these demons come out. I mean least for me just like like the you start like I start thinking I need to delete the comment. I did on Twitter. I didn't need to or like the like this this is stupid. I'm a scientist like who why are you like your mind starts making up stuff? Like why are you doing this and you know all of those demons and then it starts saying things like you know you have
Like all the papers you wrote our shit everything you ever done a shit like you need to work hard. Like if you why are you working so hard at this stupid running thing. You should be focused and doing the thing that you like your career. You should be like all of those things and then my parents come into place like you should you find a wife you have kids. I called it all you talk about love all the time. Why are you fucking single you fucking you know, like that's the that's what yeah, it doesn't actually speak in those words, but that feel if you feel it and then
And then you just and then you feel the age thing. I mean, but like, you know, you used to be able to wrestle like you've never even never beat anyone good at wrestling. You're never like your Jiu-Jitsu black belt. You don't deserve that black bulb like all those thoughts are coming in. And so but anyway, that was the 48-hour Challenge and then one day I think it's June yet June maybe at the end of May. I woke up and I had this idea that the brain is stupid, too.
To say that to tweet and say that I'll do as many push ups and pull ups as this tweet gets likes. I don't know why I thought that I did I thought in my head because I usually, you know, I talk about a lot of all the time and you know get like I don't know a hundred likes 500 lat don't know whatever I get but that's not I thought like I need to get harder and need to start exercising every day again, and I thought I would get about maybe a thousand so I end up getting 20,000.
Yeah, so so I said in 30 days. All right, and that's too much for me. That's too hard. So I in my mind I thought as I said, okay, let me distribute that across other exercise. I'll do it every day, but I might I'll distribute across body weight squats to so the ideas, you know coronavirus. I want to do stuff like have a kettlebell to maybe exercise that can do at home every single day, but the Tweet said push up some Pull-Ups.
So I ended up before then I've interacted with the David quite a bit. So I send him yeah. Yeah, so I sent them this thing and it's just saying like here I feel what I said is a basic message. Do you have any advice and he sent me back a video of him? Oh, I ask them a few questions and he sent back a video of him answering the questions calling me out of my bullshit because he said you said in your Tweet push up some pull.
Motherfucker. However, he talks like he's like if I were you she did the worst thing which is like if I were you I would I would do what I promised but I understand how things are. So if you liked it, so he went on to give me advice if I bitch out. So I end up what else can you do? So I started doing push-ups and pool. So it's about its 500 push-ups.
UPS a day and a hundred seventy pull-ups a day
Plus 6 miles running and jeez. I just started. Well, I need it every single day for a month for month. Yeah.
There you go.
Yes, is this is this is the Instagram days man. This is when I was like so proud of myself. I was proud of myself that I'm actually doing this and I think day three is when it all just went to shit. That's when it went to shit. So I started getting a shoulder. So I stopped on day seven I believe.
And took 10 days off. So by my shoulders are just overwhelmed with pain and
an MRI.
No. No II know the show. Like I've gotten this it's over use it wasn't so I wasn't hurt. It was like I know this pain. Well,
where is it part of the shoulder?
It's complicates like slightly in the back. Hmm. I know the pain well from like I know it's an overuse thing. Like I did that when I trained Judo twice a day. I know like I know the pain I know how to treat it.
She's like ice but like the reps are insane for people people have done this kind of thing. It's so I gave myself two weeks to actually ramp up to it too. So like I was already have a good base on put I know how to do push-ups and pull-ups, but that was way too much for me the whole time David motherfucking Goggins is with me on either on the phone or email every single day and he's doubling everything. I'm doing ha ha ha ha
So well, he's not doing the squats
because he's just had knee surgery. So he's with surgery doing the push-ups. And what did he have done to his knee?
He doesn't he doesn't like to talk about stuff. Like I couldn't get it. He because I think he probably just hurt his knee just for the haters to think he'll quit
like, well, that's what I know. He had his own he drained. Yeah, there was some problem. He's one of those ignore guys.
Yeah, we got pains. He's just ignores it. Yeah, well you got okay. Let me see.
Oh, this is then pulling. Okay. What does it say here? A lot of us think that just because there's an obstacle in the middle of the road. Look at this. They're gonna they're gonna they're pulling all that fluid out of his knee. Whoo What does it say? This is just talking about setbacks. Okay, here's more often than not I've had bad knees bad hips excetera for 20-plus years not letting that stop me and I won't now my find we must exhaust all options find a way. Yeah.
Jesus Christ, so he's draining multiple syringes of fluid out of his look at that nasty shit that's coming out of his fucking knee man. How much fluid is in his knee? So the thing is like your knee is a physical structure and I appreciate his mindset But ultimately if you're draining that much fluid out of your knee you've got real internal problems.
You could fucking man through that shit, but you still diminishing the physical structure of your
knee. Well, that's his whole philosophy which is the point at yeah, there's a video I think like one or two running like one after this. He's like, I'm back motherfucker or something, whatever. Yeah, whatever he's doing.
He's running like you scroll up a little bit scroll. I'll show you what it is right there that one play that
shoot
me getting my knees straight.
You are happy. I was fucking injury.
You're also happy. Can you call never run again? All that see? I told you tagging your friend
shit, bitch. You fucking know me. You want
me to fucking video about me. You
know, how hard I train How I Live the fucking dedication to put to my fucking life. So why do you
troll? Maybe it's a fat motherfucker at home. Basically. We're no different for dedication. Maybe you're jealous.
Who knows what guarantee this
I'll be back better than ever. Ha ha. Fuck you. Stay hard. Fuck you. Stay are he's the best goddamn. I love that dude. I'm he is a treasure. Yeah, he's a treasure but like he does in this world where
the reason I stopped actually posting about. The thing I'm doing is what I realize especially probably the community. I'm in.
So many people were telling me like that's too much like they were encouraged me to be healthy. They weren't understanding the whole point the the philosophy of David Goggins, which is the point is to push the limits of what is healthy. This isn't to get like doing those kinds of reps is not for some kind of like to get back in shape the moment. I agreed to answer David Goggins is like email and then phone call and then you're accepting.
Not a nice way for like like
up my
cardiovascular getting it it was to go through hell. So this is the first time they've Dan Gable famous famous wrestler famous wrestling coach talked about the he always tried to train so hard that he wouldn't be able to get off the mat that he would have to be carried off the mat and he said he never succeeded at that, but he always really tried to push so hard that you literally couldn't get off the mat
and then
The results of that we're talking about the physical structure. He has replaced hips replaced knees so body fell
apart. The internet is very nice and helpful to tell you exactly that which is your body will fall apart. That's not the right way to do it when I got injured people are like just like you said ha the obviously you shouldn't be doing this right but that's not the point the that's not the point of this like, this is the first time I I'm not a crier there's
there's I cried three times face down on my carpet in this whole challenge. So I was doing all of this at home just there's all different kinds of demons that came out and just the so if for people who know push-ups and Pull-Ups,
And done this kind of exercise what happens is its kind of your muscle get used to it. It's not physically that challenging there in the state of just complete exhaustion and what it is. It's almost boring. So it's a task of your mind pushing through a thing. That's really boring. Your muscles are exceptionally sore. They're exhausted. And again all those demons of like, why are you doing this? It's like nobody will care if you just quit all that kind of stuff.
Dealing with all of that. That's why because it's about depend depending on the day, but it's at least two hours of push-ups and pull-ups spread throughout the day and it's just it's a grind and then I have Goggins on me about it always doubling stuff. So I after 10 days I returned and at that point I did it without announcing it I did it for four or five days to make sure I could do it in that point. I knew I'm going to have to finish.
Even with injury so I knew after 10 days shoulders back to normal. I I figured out a whole like I figure out the eating that I'm doing I figured out the whole recovery. Would you change in the eating it sounds weird but I stepped into that switch to one meal a day, which is before I sleep which felt good and it's mostly Quito in terms of supplement that they're your sponsor. Actually the that's how I found.
Athletic greens mmm. They don't know why it makes me feel good like great stuff. Yeah, like because they're worried you have with kedo. I don't know. I'm not I'm not into nutrition sighs. I don't follow it. I just listened to my body. The worry you have is you don't get the nutrients. I like you. Don't get the vital nutrients. Yeah, plant-based nutrition and also importantly electrolytes because I'm running there's a you know, there's a because you get that the headaches thing.
The
you ever take liquid IV. It would try that stuff. Yeah, I swear with that shit. I drink that every day.
Is that a is that -
it's an electrolyte. Yeah, electrolyte supplement. It's a sponsor to but even if it wasn't if they stop being a sponsor I'll still tell people to take
it. What do they wasn't supposed to so they has like side immense sodium magnesium
sodium glucose Optimum ratio of sodium to glucose like very scientifically researched. It's fantastic shit man changed the way I would always get cramps and once I
Are using a stop getting cramps like you think like hard kick boxing workouts hard martial arts workout. So, you know, he'll running that kind of shit beat your body up man. If you're not getting enough electrolytes, you're certainly draining them out of your system and taking them in the form of liquid IV. Just a big difference. He says he's
sorry still sticking to Quito.
No, I'm not I don't eat keto but I'm mostly carnivore, you know, I mean, I eat some salads and
And I eat some fruit. But the vast majority of what I eat is meat.
The vast majority. Yeah, that's one of the 80 maybe 80 plus percent of everything I eat is
meat. I don't know about you, but that's one of the things I just stopped wanting to post about it because one the exercises insane into my eating. I just don't I like positive
vibes people get angry people
get angry and not only just angry they keep telling me it's unhealthy and I've experimented. I wrestled my whole life. I understand what Peak
Is on different diets, like I know my body I've explored and like learned about what feels good for me. I'm not saying it's good for others. I've experimented with eating like seven times a day when I was more doing like power lifting stuff. I've experiment like for me eating once a day or eating twice a day in a small window like intermittent fasting very low carb
I do two things in my life, which is Goggins type challenges which is doing like physical challenges and then long periods of deep thinking deep work. So intellectual work for me Quito and once a day focuses the mind like nothing else it allows me to sit for eight hours at a time. So I usually do to for our periods of deep work. She shut off every distraction and completely Focus yourself on a single task.
Nothing, like you know for me the interesting thing and I know that about myself what I didn't wasn't really sure is with the push up and pull up thing. What is the right like supplementation for that? And I wasn't sure but I stuck to it I stuck to basically entirely carnivore I would say under 20 grams of carbs, maybe even under 10 grams of carbs on some days and mostly just a lot of me I wasn't
Aunt calorie deficit I actually got a little fatter really. Yeah, so I was made sure praising I was starving. Okay, this sounds please don't clip this out. But I was starving I was starving for me like I would remember waking up like wanting like a bloody steak in the middle of the night
when you put your tissue must be so like everything must need nutrients like so badly so much protein. You're breaking everything down at such an extreme requirement of
I need to do something like
that. It's not like crazy. We're not talking about David Goggins took it to the extreme, of course, of
course, but doubling everything you do
this insane. So thousand that a thousand push-ups is different than 500 push-ups. So 500 is doable for like a it's just inside thousand is insane. And also I didn't, you know, there's certain things on form. Like I didn't go all the way down on the pull-ups. Like I did a form of pull up with my mother that my hands closer together.
Heather just you save your shoulder to save the shoulder. So I made sure this isn't like to prove anybody to this the other thing when I post the videos on myself doing push-ups and pull-ups. That's why I stopped is like people would tell me like that the
form stop reading the comments. Now, I died many times during this podcast. Have you talked about people saying things to you in the comments and it upsetting you well, it's been like 10 tall help me out with
something then.
The reality is that a lot of other really intelligent people read the
comments. You mean like Eric Eric wants I Aquinas. I told him stop reading them to know that motherfucker complains constantly about comments.
But the thing is, yes, that's a good but I'm so the difference in you and I is one important things. I do hope to be one of the technologists that either creates a competitor Twitter or helps Twitter become a better version of itself.
So I want to create the systems that that that create that community in the comments that's positive. So for me, it's important to understand that that the demons in there
you're going to have to fundamentally change the way human beings interact with each other with no repercussions when people have no repercussions, they interact anonymously. There's just a fundamental aspect of Cruelty that emerges there's no getting around it.
I disagree. I think what I don't disagree, I think the
fundamental thing that happens is some small percentage of humans start becoming toxic. Yes, and that drives away. What I believe is the majority of the population core therefore friendly like the kind of conversations. You have a parties in
person. No, listen, I regret with you 100% most of the interactions that I have online. Even when I stopped reading comments were positive the vast majority when you cultivate like one of the things I've tried to do with this podcast is to
Talk to people the way I talk to people in real life, you know warts and all that the vast majority of my interactions in real life are positive the vast majority the vast majority are happy occasionally. They're not occasionally. Someone's a fucking dick, you know, and that's just what you run into dickhead. Sometimes it sucks and it's annoying but it's a part of life my internet feed based on this podcast based on how people get to know me reflected that it's mostly positive.
Positive it's mostly people recognizing what my intentions are. My intentions are to try to get out of the way as much as possible put together the best podcast I can do my best try to be curious. Try to feed my curiosity just do my best. Oh that
mine did kind loving that's that radio. Okay and
help people and promote people. Those are that's that's another really big part for me is promote people like let let them help them succeed because II feel good about that makes me feel good.
Yeah, like who the hell?
My liking for some reason you saw it you see stuff in people and then you share like selflessly you promote them. Like we do that with comedians to do that with a lot of even Eric Weinstein of one of the you know, incredibly brilliant. Jordan Pederson could be argued that he was really propelled forward by conversation on your podcast and
I'm happy to do that. It makes me feel good. It's one of the most important parts of this podcast. I think that that I can introduce and in doing so it also enriches other people because it gets in here these
interesting conversations and and it stimulates their mind and it changes the way they think about certain things. So the vast majority of interactions that I had online even before I stopped reading comments or positive. The problem is you'd start dwelling on the ones that aren't like you're doing in this podcast. You are you're literally telling me everything that's wrong with reading comments by telling me you reading comments and then complaining about the things that people say about your form or the things say about you not having enough women on your podcast or the people say, you're a beta you're going over and over and over again.
For no reason it's interesting. But all of those things are completely unnecessary and you going to fight me on it right now because I see you're gearing up. I'm getting your gearing up for some sort of a response. Yeah, it's
yeah, I'm I'm a been gearing up. Okay.
First of all, let me put it because it's more fun
to talk about the negative stuff. Most of my life. The reason I read comments is I've met incredible people. I mean I'm going to currently with the very small level of celebrity fortunate enough to have people that are just full of love.
Two things love and intelligence like that it they make me think they inspire me this incredible people and that's why I read the comments still for now. At least I do I did hire somebody to help me like fight the Trolls but like to because you can remove comments and so on. I don't think that's a long form a long-term solution. I think the long-term solution is technology. Here's the fundamental problem. I think that 99% of Joe Rogan
Fans you can say any kind of percentage are people I would want to hang out with at a party and talk with I think so too and I think the comment section should reflect that. I think it's a technology problem. I think what happens is the one percent that don't really want to hang out with dominate the conversation in the comments section and don't I
don't think they're more inclined to
comment. It's a bunch of things. They they're better at commenting the kind of
Risks of funny thing like there's a mix of humor and derision, which
somehow attracts a
certain part in us as like people who click like hmm, like somebody, you know, this is a new studio or we I was saying how this studio is kind of like the Cyber truck release. There's something in people where they want to like the the funny derivative comment about the way the new studio looks for example when you look at comments about your new studio,
Leo there's a humongous amount of really positive comments but like the ones like the negative ones and they're not even negative they're more like just like shitty in a funny way. They rise to the top that's a technology problem because like that shitty comment drives away people like me from commenting I want to comment I still I still
comment just calm it took the time and telling nobody sitting so much time thinking about this
and don't I disagree II think there's a place for community on
Internet.
Yeah, there is
and if commenting is I mean what we call it something else call it social media interactions, like most people at some level of celebrity stop checking their Twitter like mentions Twitter comments and so on because of the toxicity the top comments on Donald Trump or the top comments on Bill Gates the top comments on Obama accounts. If you look at them pedophilia is usually involved and it's like how is
Is some Brock Obama, why would I want to interact in the comments with a community that were like
turn your comments
off? Yeah, but that what I'm telling you is, okay, you're telling me it's that's death though, right? You're accepting. Yeah your censoring people now, that's they get insane. Well, they
just become accustomed to being able to speak as well. That's part of the thing like an Instagram. It's not just that you post some something. It's at other people get to post things as
well. Yeah, and it's a like I
I tried to fight like a comment. You're the only person on an Instagram quiet comment on oh boy is there okay, they're fun. They there's a fun Community there. Okay, and I ignore like actually train my brain to ignore any of the haters. Like I was just this fun really loving intelligent people. That should be the community. Yes. I've been a okay. No, but you don't agree because you
know, that should be the community a groupie,
but it isn't currently and I think that could
be good.
Is the vast majority it's just the kind of people that comment in the first place. Okay, let's let's just do a thought experiment. If you have if you have a million people on your Twitter and they're all fans of your podcast. If a million podcast fans how many of them are going to comment how many how often do you you only said you only comment on my page how many people comment on people's Pages how many people that have enriched?
Important enriching important difficult lives where they're filled with challenges. Take the time to comment shitty things on internet not a large not very very few. Most of the people are they have unrealized potential and they're not
doing well. I let me can I can I propose a different thought experiment sure how many people out of those million that listen to the podcast mine are yours that have an intelligent interesting thought that occurs when they listen and they would share it with me if it was one-on-one.
If I was quite a few yeah, that's my problem. Like I think right like I would like them to feel safe to say
something. Yeah, then they should be it's just that they're going to have to deal with
Trolls but no, but you're accepting the way things are now and I'm saying I think there's a technological solution that I'm constantly amazed.
That's what neurolink is neural link is a direct. Well did the future versions of it that actually allow you to read minds. I mean, that's the technological solution to realize that this person's flawed.
Because you know there they were abused by their uncle or the you know, they got bullied throughout childhood or they have a disease or they are impaired mentally. There's something wrong with them and that's that's what you're dealing with when you're dealing with a lot of these people that are online that are angry their lives are not good, you know, you're not getting people that live amazing lives and spend the vast majority of the day shitting on people on the internet, but I go to some people's Twitter pages and I see them all day long saying mean
Shit all day long arguing about things all day long complaining about things and it's the vast majority of their social interaction. It has to be just based on volume. Yeah, it's super unhealthy,
but I feel it might be optimistic. But I think those people if you put a mirror to them meaning you make them realize that that they're being toxic that they could be incentivized. They could be encouraged to find the the better angels of their
Their
nature they could be but a lot of times that toxicity is coming out of a lot of other flaws in their life and their personality like you're talking about your you're thinking in terms of your own self your a guy who did this fucking ridiculous 30 day challenge, you're a guy who's running for Miles every four hours like this. That's all normal human being your guys constantly trying to improve your guy was sitting down every day turning off all your distractions and doing deep intellectual work. That is not most people now.
If you could acquire a group of people that are your fans that have similar goals and similar discipline, that would be amazing, but they would be your friends. You know that I mean that's that's what ultimately we would like. We would like all our interactions with people online to be people that we love and care about people that share like-minded goals people that you can you actually can learn from them. You can you can listen to their words and see their deeds and see how they react to certain things and see how they grow and change.
JH and you you actually benefit from this interaction. There's a lot of people that are online that are not they're not capable of that for whatever reason whether its programming meeting like what's happened to them in their life. That's LED them to this point, whatever failures or insurmountable obstacles that have shown up in their life that have caused them to fall into this rut. That's that's what you get. You just get the numbers of humans you're interacting with online. There's so many people
Then also you get no social cues. You don't feel bad when you say mean things to people you could say. Hey man, you sucked on that show and you only who I thought it was a good episode fuck did I suck on your show? You know and that that hurts people it bothers people, but that's what they're trying to do the trying to bother you the trying to lash out at you and the type of people that try to do that are overwhelmingly losers,
but this is I have a dream
There's there's 10 million plus people that like The Joe Rogan Experience and I really cool people. I meet them all the time sure and I would love to go to the comment section and be inspired by the positive thoughtful energies or even disagreement that are that come from a place of respect and love like I go to books for that. For example, I read books. They're full of thoughtful disagreement or just like respectful deep thinking.
When I can I go to comments to because they currently for me have 99% of them. Are that okay, but I let me
stop you there. This is really important. That's not what you talking about. What you talking about is the negative ones all you've talked about the negative ones. You haven't said anything about the positive ones. You haven't said anything about going to the comment section reading inspiring things. You haven't said anything about going to the comment section reading helpful thoughts and strategies and the different things that people have said in the comments that have really inspired you you haven't said anything.
Thing about that, but you said at least three or four different things about negative comments that people said to the point where you're challenging people to fight you giving out the address of your eyes to school. It's don't listen you're doing what you're doing. Yeah, whether it's for fun or not, you're doing what you're doing. You're dwelling on the negative so much that you're literally telling people where you train
you understand that. Yeah. I understand. I mean part of that. So you're you're doing a good job from a psychoanalyst perspective.
Part of that is for fun. I understand it's for fun. They definitely have a disproportionate effect, especially for a person who's not like I'm genetically full of self-doubt. I think of myself often as a fraud like there's
a kind of that's not full of self-doubt. You know what that is. You just have high expectations of your own performance, right? I do too. Listen. I'm not a fan of anything I do. I'm the biggest critic of everything I do ever. That's just how it goes. I'm never satisfied. But that's also why I continue to do things
and the and the toxic negative.
Of comments connect to that little part of you, but you are to me and I'm just I'm bringing up the fact that I feel like the it's the only solution cannot be not to read comments. It's it's for now that is the wise advice you're giving wise advice.
That's what you have to deal with the landscape. This is the landscape as its presented to you. You can't imagine a better world where there's no real solution. Well because there's no technological solution to avoid the
Trolls, but here's the thing.
So I try and build
it how you gonna be able to
well, I mean
without giving away any intellectual secrets. Well,
I think systems that know more about you on as a human in order to be able to incentivize.
Better how to be a better human are needed so currently the a systems the recommender systems that feed most of the social networks YouTube Netflix and so on they know very little about you. They have a very primitive capture of who you are as a human that ultimately leads to your purchasing Behavior. They don't understand about your set of beliefs. The source of toxicity is sort of pain how to and how to put you on a trajectory. That improves is a human I
It's an AI problem. I think that's a recommender system what's called problem? And that's where this I've been working on failing at it. I've been pretty low Point actually the psychologically but that's that's a dream for me. So the thing that I've talked about before which is like building an AI girlfriend, it's a is not a correct way to phrase it. It's more about AI systems being able to know you well.
And be an assistant be to form a connection with you in order to help you become the best version of yourself. That's what friends do that's what girlfriends Partners do. That's what I think AI systems can do.
I think it's possible and I also think that when we get to the next generation of Technologies, and this is where all of your almost three hours here. I want to talk to you about you were there for the neural link experiment the most recent?
Asian where they used it on a pig tell me like what was that like and there's a big what
first of all the pigs were very happy like what what they said in that presentation was pretty pretty accurate. They love food and they just they seemed happy and the people the caretakers there seemed like really good people
and where is he? Where's the implant on the pig?
Can you see it physically? I actually I don't know. It depends on which one we're looking at. I think one of them is just showed three one and I think didn't have it one. I had it and I already had it removed and the other one I think it was still actively in it. So I don't remember them actually showing like here it is and what was the demonstration like what out of they demonstrate how it worked?
Well, they so first of all I should say that I have no inside information. I should like like this is very much. There are company. Okay. I'm just some random dude that showed up
but you've interviewed along with ya know him,
but I'm not I don't have any inside information and more importantly. I'm AI person. So I'm not an neurobiologist like this is this was really exciting to me as a spectator.
See biological systems pigs right that that are interacting with computational
systems, but what I'm asking is what was the demonstration
that the actual demonstration was at the first level was that they successfully implanted in your link and a pig the pig seem to be doing great. And then they also showed the pig that had it taken out. That's what at one level
what was going on with the pig that had neural link to it. Was there any demonstration about what it was doing?
In for the
pig they were doing playback of the hundred and twenty four. So there's a hundred twenty four channels like the the electrodes that connect to the brain that are firing their measuring the neural signals from neurons. And that's time on the x-axis of from left to right that's time and then vertically that's the 124 points that are lighting up when a neuron is firing and there were playing that back and they played it back in Scituate where they convert the signal to like musical notes so you can hear the signal it's a night.
Another way to visualize it but you know, it's it's showing that it's effectively being able to read the signal from a hundred site. I'm not sure if I was saying a hundred I met a thousand neurons or thousand like collection of neurons from the brain. So it's that's two orders of magnitude. That's a lot more than any other devices I've ever done so like being able to, you know, get signals from the brain and high resolution. I mean one day
Day, the I think the vision is that thousand just like you mentioned with the TV's a resolution of a thousand is very low it would be millions or billions or trillions like it is for LCD displays, but this is already a really effective
eventually your brain is just going to be filled with wires. Yeah, and then they going to go what do we need this brain for just come up with an artificial brain. You're not even going to notice we can go to sleepy
gradual gradual. It'll be
Same with I mean, it's a Chase of Technologies. This might be Obsolete and useless by the time we're live all live in a virtual reality
world. But this is what I was thinking when it comes to aliens when you look at the alien the archetypal alien. What do you see something with a big head big eyes? No genitals. You know, you see no muscles. You see just like a frame just this weird structure.
And I wonder if we're going to get to a point where we start replacing things and improving things and we realized well, there's there's some problems with our system and one of the problems is mating. One of the problems is testosterone and estrogen and emotions and all these different things that you know, the desire to control property and boundaries and all the different things the territories all the different things that make people tribal all the different things that make people angry and maybe that's what's going to
Get in the way of innovation that maybe we're going to get to a point where there's going to be some sort of mind sharing technology. That's when they have big fucking heads. Right? Maybe there's going to be some sort of interaction technology some some vastly improve thing that's going to make regular biological function seems so obsolete that we're going to be readily cast them aside or maybe will cast them aside slowly and gradually like the evolution of the
eyeball.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean on the flip side in a in The Yearling presentation. They talked about alleviating human suffering. For example there to me one concern is you know, all the things that tribalism all the what is it toxic masculinity are all the things all the things are C is negative. They could be features like the there is a need for suffering. There's a need of tension. There's a need of violence and War for us too.
Figure ourselves out that sort of removing all the suffering it may not be as productive as we
think it certainly creates competition and competition creates Improvement. I mean this is that that that's the thing about if everyone just got along and everything was fine and perfect. Would there be as much Innovation and if ultimately this human being this creature this that's when you look at the overall the goal of this thing as I was saying before it seems that the gold
This thing is to make better stuff. Well the best way to make better stuff is to have some motivation to do that. And that's where materialism comes in that's where sex comes in that's where greed and envy all these different emotions that we think are very bad, but generally speaking if you talked about those emotions to people that would say they're Negative they would put them in a negative connotation, but they might be what's powering people to move into this Direction with more speed.
Yeah, and we all need to be trying to figure that out and mortality is a big part of the picture people that talk about immortality. It feels like imagine if Joe Biden Donald Trump like lived forever. We would have Clinton Trump like we have these families just like forever forever running our world. One of the things that makes this world run as the passing away of previous generations of previous systems of thought and you know,
You have to always consider like the things we see as negative as that make up our psychology make up different characteristics of human civilizations are have are positive and some sense that Wars create progress. They create suffering, but they also create progress. They create beautiful music and art they create the bonds of love and friendship like nothing and like nothing else in this world conflict and suffering.
The finiteness of life kind of makes life worth living for many
people that is part of the problem. Right like in order to really appreciate the light. You got to experience a Darkness. You have to know the darkness is
real and one of the exciting things about like neural link understanding our mind is not alleviating suffering but enriching the way we experience the world. So like enriching the the way we experience suffering the expanding the way we can experience the highs and the lows it
Expanding your Consciousness is doing the thing that you jokingly said with mushrooms. Yeah, but basically doing what mushrooms do but in a controlled and you know much more powerful way
or maybe something can transcend this biological limitation that we're discussing of being a human and that through this Innovation. We can reach some point where there's a different motivation and this other motivation might be all peace and love it might be it might be that this
Motivation through this thing if we can somehow or another suppress all the negative aspects of our biology and enhance all the positive aspects of camaraderie and love and friendship and do so in a way that's tangible for everybody. That's another problem with things like neurolink. Like how much is this going to cost? And how much is this going to separate the halves from the have-nots nura, you know Ilan was telling me when he was discussing on the podcast. He said, it's your it's going to have you going to be so much more productive if you have it. Well people
more productive or more successful and if you need a lot of money in order to get it done and then you get it done and you're more productive and then more successful ultimately it's going to bring it's going to create a wider and wider gap between people who have everything and people who have nothing if that if that
individual productivity results in the increase of the Gap, but it can also potentially just like the individuals who have created some incredible technology in this world you think about Ford
You think about Steve Jobs and you neela mosque is there individuals they are super weird intelligent and productive but they ultimately created a better world with the inventions they made so, you know, it's it's a it's possible that the productivity of those individuals actually creates, you know lifts all boats that it creates ultimately better world. And as that process goes on more and more people will be able to afford these Technologies.
Like the lead adopters the people that get it in the beginning might have a disproportionate Advantage, but the that disproportionate Advantage doesn't necessarily create a negative outcome for the world. If if there is if David favor would he saw was actually a thing trying to communicate that like Ilan said Love Is The Answer say say the aliens were trying to communicate love is the answer and here's this badass pilot.
Top Gun like Tom Cruise's character who just like wasn't sure if he's going to shoot it or not kind of thing wanted to fly it but it was just saying like love is the answer maybe when you expand the mind maybe feels on shrooms or with neural link you'll be able to see that communication. Ultimately the thing you'll be able to see will be good for society. So like it's not you won't just because you'll be more productive won't you won't try to get a bigger yacht bigger bigger cows better cars.
but you'll see that we're like all the connected being connected Consciousness and that extra productivity you get will result in you helping others more effectively, you know, that's that's a real possibility to and I have faith in the smart people working on technology people kind of tend to be negative about technology, but I I'm one of them and I work with a lot of them that people who are best at
Creating new ideas have they almost they almost always have good intentions, but that's not enough. They very often are good at doing good for the world like so I have hope that the best people creating this technology at neurolink, certainly the people of interact with are going to be aware of the negatives and are going to work their ass off to make a better world.
One of the most impressive things to me about neural people say like negative stuff body on so on one of most impressive things about neural link and the people have interacted with a Tesla and all these companies is like there's a passion in their eyes. These are some of the best people in the world at just being kids and loving what they do like, it's hard to put into words. But when you see that like that's what I see with you with comedy like I don't know what the fuck I don't know anything about comedy. I'm
a spectator but there's a joy that I love seeing people who are good at what they do and love what they do and just losing themselves in it. I have faith that when you give those people the power to do what they want to do that it will create a better world and that's what Elon is is doing and that's what I wish more companies and groups were doing that. I wish the US government would do that more of like a five leaders that attract that we are those weird.
Passionate people that are like just have this fire in their eyes. The I remember like the early days of Tesla with the first gigafactory opening I happen to be there like because I'd give a talk and it just like it was like three at night and the people working there at that factory in the middle of the desert the excitement in their eyes was like like, you know, the these ladies that like
Like they look like they haven't slept for days. But there was just this like glimmer of just love what they do. And now I was like that gives me faith that these people if these people are building our future the good do a pretty good job beautiful, right? Can I can I just say one thing sir? Okay poem thing a lot of people ask me to sing again because I'm a sexy voice now. They didn't nobody nobody. My mom was like cookie it even
Mom didn't say maybe maybe that's second song. Maybe maybe maybe play piano or something. No, I just want to say because we're talking about love. I my grandmother passed away. Just just several days ago and form for me. Okay, everybody's different. But for me, she basically she was one of the key people in my life that raised me she is.
Responsible for much. Let's say much of the good that I am so she lived through go the mode in the in the early 30s. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it. Most people think about the Holocaust of the atrocity of the 20th century, but God, I won't go the more in Ukraine was when it was basically because of the decisions that Stalin made millions of people starved. There are stories. That's for another time. If you want to really hear about it as Jordan appears in the bottom.
We've talked
about and he their stories were it's thousands of people practiced cannibalism date their children. So this is what this just to give you a context of what starvation does to the human human beings, right? So she lived through that she lifts her World War II this beautiful teenage girl woman in nazi-occupied.
Pied City so all of that and she never talked about it. This is the she she was a she was a bad mother fucker and she's she was the person that inspired me to be strong in a person that also too to put love out there. There's like there's she loved her husband that passed when the 80s but it was always radiated this like deep love for other human beings that was forever like the
The reason I talk about love a lot is she made it? Okay for me like my dad started go on tangents, but like my dad is this witty Jew who never who's afraid to say anything. Nice kind of Carrick Weinstein. He's like brilliant. He says stuff that's really interesting and clever. My grandmother taught me that sometimes it's okay to say the cliche simple thing. You don't always have to be super intelligent super interesting super complicated eloquent. You can just say you can
Talk about love and talk simply even if it's a cliche thing. So, I don't know. I she was 91 and I just want to say in this podcast that she's I miss her and she's the reason for any good that I am. She's a highly responsible for that. So
I miss you. I love you.
Not you Joe my grandma. I'm Jenna your I don't know if there's a problem. I wanted to but
not want to do it do it. No, I'll do it's so there's a bunch
of Russian poems that I think I shouldn't but I the poem If by crippling, okay, I'd love to read it. It's not okay. It's a minute. Okay.
Stop fucking with that. Fuck you.
I'm nervous man
should be like to read a poem in front of millions of
people and I'm speaking for the woman that probably looking down shaking your head. Like what are you doing? Drink Vodka shut the hell up. If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you but make allowance for their doubting too. If you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about don't deal in lies or being hated don't
Give way to hating
and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise if you can dream and not make dreams your master if you can think and not make thoughts your aim. If you can meet with Triumph and disaster and treat those two Impostors just the same if you can bear to hear the truth, you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools or watch the things you gave your life to broken and stoop and build em up with worn-out.
Tools if you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss and lose and start again at your beginnings and never breathe a word about your loss. If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew to serve your turn long after they are gone and so hold on when there is nothing in you except the will which says to them, hold on.
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue or walk with Kings nor lose the common touch if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you if all men count with you, but none too much if you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance run yours is the Earth and everything that's in it and which is more you'll be a man my grandson.
Thanks, Joe. Thank you. Goodbye, everybody.
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