Hey, it's Bill Simmons on Friday night. We got the tragic news that a very talented actor named Chadwick Boseman passed away after a four-year battle with colon cancer that a lot of us didn't know about including myself. I had a chance to interview him last November for this podcast and really really enjoyed the time I spent with him that day and I thought it was a really good conversation
and a really good glimpse into what kind of guy he was. So we thought we would rerun that right here. Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman. You were an amazing actor.
I really enjoyed your work and we're all going to miss you. Here it is. All right, so I
was looking through your your IMDb your one sports movie away from being a sports movie Hall of Famer.
Oh, I gotta do one. What is we need one more so Vontae Mack, right? I feel like a pretty iconic sports movie like supporting role character. I like that movie. I watch a movie. I'm done. I love doing the movie, you know what I'm saying? And and then your Jackie Robinson's up. Well, I want to talk about this.
Draft a whole chapter holds up and you
Jackie Robinson, but no basketball movie and then you play basketball. What are you doing? Oh, it's not my fault.
That was no spin have the pull to make
a basketball movie that what are you doing? Well be a coach now, I'll be a coach now they no way you can still counts and fight. It still counts. You look younger than you are you could play like a guy like mid-30s. He's at the end of his line. He's playing for like Utah He's his last leg of his career City. He's at the end of his line.
He's and design but it makes one last run at it when it's in great shape meets the right lady. It's a comeback story. I like that part. I like that for I don't know if I'm just spitballing. I don't really have the whole he doesn't care to popular coach. It's katsu is like coaches are in the Hall of Fame coach. I don't know you feel Jackson had it had a championship both ways, you know, you could do that, but you're good at basketball. You can't take advantage of it, right? You're right. Okay, we'll try to find it's hard to find a good basketball movie truth be told which ones which were
You jealous of Love & Basketball of a basketball is though is the one you know, yeah, like that would be it's really hard to like to find the right role in because they're good basketball movies, but the right role of the basketball is the I think the quintessential one that it holds up. I think they're probably going to do that again. So Point what sternly anniversary coming up? Yeah, they're gonna it's remakes to happening is it's either going to become a TV show is something like like I'm already Standing Room.
Makes because like I would be actually be mad if they remade that because I think it holds up. My daughter really likes that I just watched over their few months ago. And I think it's certainly change it certain things need to stay like the original and don't don't we make like you can't remake that know, but they're going to do it you do sequel you could you could maybe you know, you could kind of figure out how I could get you in the C chord. It has make sense. You couldn't be the Sun and they're now you're not old enough. No, no, no like just let
This some stuff be a classic and let it be the only one I mean.
Maybe 20 more years or now. You can 28. Yeah do it again. But you should you know how bloggers aggregate stuff you say and they make get stories out of it. Yes, and it'd be like chatot Bozeman says Blaster to is never happening. And that's me feel sad a lot of stuff, too. So, how about we do you issue a challenge to all the screen writers out there write me a basketball movie. I'll make it headline Bozeman and then that'll be out there.
Yeah, you're gonna wear those do it right a sports movie holiday is why couldn't it be like tennis? It could be tennis. It could be I was just trying to take advantage of the stuff. You're good at though, you know, maybe because Wesley Snipes was not good at basketball, but was in White Men Can't Jump which is an iconic sports movie, right, but they had to teach him how to play basketball. We did a podcast that he'd be pretty good. He Faking It was that was being taught. Yeah. He was a lot of like hide ripples was Woody Harrelson like Warehouse was he was he was he was already
Yeah, he was good. Okay, that's it. See I didn't know that I had no one else and now David Duchovny went for the Woody Harrelson really didn't get it. Wow. Another one is good Clooney supposedly good. You must do you play in the sets ever you just out your entire Isam I've ever played even at the studio is at Warner Brothers. They have like they have a pretty cool outside Court there and I did that when I was when I was like training for 42, I would go out. Yeah basketball, but other than that, I think people are trying to say that needs most
The time yeah, are they are so you know, it's good as mbj. Yeah. Yeah, he's good. He is good. Yeah, he coached him in the celebrity game and it's it was an emotionally scarring experience for him. Why because he didn't play. Well he had Kevin Hart is this point guard who was listen Barry Allen Iverson. All right. Yeah love Kevin but it becomes like a it becomes like a comedy show. Yeah. Well, that's what happened and then it's so he was just I think he was ready to be like Kobe 2006 Michael B, Jordan the gear he was ready to be like and here.
I got this he didn't get the opportunity to get it. Yeah, I get with the year. I played I played I played in this Liberty guy didn't I didn't even score because of the same thing you're saying because basically what happened is there's like three things that happen one. I was about to do Panther and
Jesse Williams you to Jesse Williams got hurt during that. Yeah, he got hurt during that game. And I looked over my shoulder and like my wrist is like don't you handle it? Like like like jog the rest of the game? Yeah, and and then Anthony I went up for I was about to go up for a basket Anthony. And so I think he thought I was gonna dunk on him and he undercut me he's being overheated apologizing me but it was a pretty it was like a plate like a it was a like a 90s, Bass.
Playoff basketball file like an illegal and he's next. Yeah, like it was it was Nick's Detroit like it was like one of those and he's he to this day every time you see me sees me he apologizes. But yeah, it was that in combination with like every time you know, Kevin Hart got the ball. He was like, I'm shooting him shoot him. Shoot him. Shoot. Yeah. He ruined the game for like four years. What up? Look what it did though. We which what you are you perimeter. What are you? Oh, I play point guard a poincare. Why don't you stop play point guard so on.
So in a movie that could work it could work. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's the other one. You you box. I saw a tip. Yeah see to me that would be it would be a boxing movie probably like that would be what I would gravitate towards because I love boxing movies. I think it's but it's easy to tell a good story and a box movie then it is just just what what what you go through when you're fighting that's
Rory and the alternate story of the person you're fighting your that's always something where you're in two different places going through the same thing and in that drama that build-up and what how close you become with the person you're fighting. Yeah, always the story, you know, it's always it always works no matter what and
you know, it's just the sweet science is something that I think it's also hard to capture it on camera. Yes, like it's really hard to do it and to capture it well and somebody doing it well, so you were jealous of creed. No. No, I am not I love you know, I mean jealous in a good way like it's a great movie You Wish know I always see it like, you know, I always I'm the person pulling for the boxing movie. I'll pull it for it because it's I know it's so hard to do. Yeah.
You know say so and I get something from like, you know, even Will Smith Ali, you know, I always get something from watching those movies that I don't get from watching other sports movies. Yeah, that's exhilarating. So now it's no jealousy at all. It's like it's like, you know, if you could do it I'm pulling for you. I'm pulling for it's amazing that they keep being made out of all the sports movies. Yeah Sports.
Boxing has been going back to like the 30s. The best one is to me is the best like, you know is mano a mano, you know, it's the it's the training the training, you know, sequences are always going to work. You know, I'm saying like if you do it if you do it, well you get in shape for it. So what else if you're an actor you really excel in this possibly be right there anything in the hall Fair? Yeah, there's not that many people in their Burt Reynolds is in there. I didn't even think about that as a possibility.
But hey, let's go for it Snipes is in there Omar Epps. Yeah trying to think who else eue my opinion. You have to have at least three really good sports movie roles to be able to get in right for ideally but three, so I feel like you have to write but the basketball are the boxing and you could maybe be a basketball coach like six year you'd bring back Coach Carter Coach Carter two codes Claddagh to Coach Carter. So we're busy little legs or do or do something similar like
You know remember the Titan is a great movie to yeah, you know, that's when that's when actually they every time it comes on. Like I actually have to watch it at least 30 minutes rather at least 30. It's funny. I was looking at the Disney Plus app and Disney's just made a lot of sports movies. Yeah, and they have there's a sports movie section and there's like an inspirational section and it's just like 30 35 Sports movies, but it's all of those like Remember the Titans right? Rookie men.
Call like they were just crank them out forever. And ever in my opinion. They should just be coming out there. Should there should be a new sports movie like every three months what trust me I've gotten my fair share. Come across script disc. Yeah scripts. Yeah come across this but it but it has to be
You know a lot of them are real they're like they're real care. They're real people. So this biopics again, right? So I have to watch will you can't make any more bad picks I can but it's got to be the right one. How many of you done three two, or three? Let's not even talk about it. Ha ha ha. It sounds like he made like a bad one. Trust me love it like I love it, but it's and I love the process, but it's one of those things like you just
You shouldn't do it every time because the process there is a slight difference in what would it mean the process? What's the process? Well, it's it's it's research. You know, it's like you're you can't just arbitrarily choose to do something. You know what I mean? Because you
You owe it to the family, you know, you owe it to the person to sort of live up to certain things and you have you have a liberty. You have some Freedom within the unknowns. Yeah, but but there is like a parameter based upon. This is the truth. You know, this is the truth so I can feel like I can figure out this in-between. Where is you know, if it's if it's you know a fictitious character you can just make up with any
You can make up at least 60 70 percent of it. You know, how do you find the balance to an impersonating somebody who everybody knows versus creating your own character out of that person because the worst-case scenario right is you're just doing an SNL sketch impersonation of the guy which is not what you want. Yeah, you don't I don't do an impersonation. Right? Right. I guess there is it there is that's one way to approach it. What I try to do is
Is I try to find you know, I find things that are true. And then I use that as the foundation to like explore off of that and then if I go to a place that okay. Well, that's not right. That's that's you. Like I'm I'm either mindful of it or somebody else's mindful of it. Like, you know that that was that was you right there that was still something else. But but the impersonation is one where I think you're you're stuck even more so
A box then what I described before. Yeah, and what's dangerous about it is, you know, when you a lot of times when you're making fun of things you imitate them. So like you said Saturday Night Live. Yeah. So so for instance with James Brown, I was like I can't do in a person they did Eddie Murphy hot tub. I can spend celebrity hot tub in your head. Yeah and and mind you. I love it you Mercy to yeah, but
If I do that, even though most people wouldn't even be able to articulate the difference in the two things. Like it's going to become something where I'm making fun of him instead of paying homage to him and it's subtle but he but you know the difference when you see it actually like I know the difference so like I always try to just find things that are true and there's certain things like, you know, I didn't do Jackie Robinson's voice, you know? Yeah, and at first I was
It to I was like, you know talking to Brian Hogan. He was like, nope. Nope. Don't do the voice. They'll do the voice. What was his voice? I don't even remember it's a distinct is very distinct and I hesitate to even tried it no matter what but was it like did he have an accent is no it's like it's it's from that time period. Yeah, it has that it has that pace and intonation from the for the entire formal very Foreman also is higher pitch than you would expect it to be and you know,
Brian was like, you know that's going to take us out of the movie because you're you're so much about that time period that everybody else in the movie would have to do that same thing. Yeah first for it to work and so or do their version of the same thing. It was like no no find it fine, you know something else that gives us a sense of the time period but not that exact, you know,
Thing and so it became a thing of like, okay, what's the essence of this person as opposed to the in Imitation of the person or you know, it's you when you play a real person a lot of times you're choosing your like like like you're a painter you're choosing what parts of perspectives you want to show because it's impossible sometimes to show everything and make people follow the story. So it's a decision, you know, what's funny like
Jackie and James Brown. It's such different energies right tobacky almost like a blank slate, but he there's a lot going on which you did really well in the movie James Brown is so much more theatrical so lot going on. There's a lot going on but a mood swings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and you know Jackie Robinson, he know he was fiery at times too. But he was a he was a badass. I mean, I was glad the movie hit some of that.
Got his revenge on everybody down those he did on the last not quite like Michael Jordan. No say it buddy. But he was he's that he's got spikes up. He's dead guy and he's getting yeah, totally getting everybody back. Yeah that that intensity to make somebody or when I like that. You know what I'm saying? Like he had that Michael Jordan thing, you know, Michael Jordan had his steak. Have you want to say it did you expect that movie to do as well as it did?
Because I remember seeing the trailer and thinking oh man this I'm glad they're doing this. I wonder who's going to see it. But now I feel like every kid eventually sees that movie. It's gonna have a shelf life. I think I'm going to have to say like I didn't I didn't have a real sense of of like at that point in time. I didn't have a real sense of like what's gonna do? Well, it was not going to do. Well. Yeah because it was my first time playing
The lie is where is my first time having to think about things in that way and so in my mind I was I was just like I have to just go out here and sell the movie like after yeah after we've done it like, you know, I have to do my best to make sure that you know, it doesn't feel the box office and you know, people don't know who I am. So I have to let them know who I am and what the movie is but I didn't have a sense of whether or not that was gonna work or not and I'm saying no or the movies.
Is going to work but I had been told a lot of things like that, you know that a movie like this wouldn't work, you know, all those things or that if you have a black lead, it won't work. If you have a Blakely people don't know it won't work, you know, so all those things but things that you're kind of fighting against and I think this the studio or especially legendary at that time went out on a limb to yeah should have that movie was made.
And a plate put a lot in to make an error making that work what so you were I think mid-30s when you did that. Yep. Yep. Yep. What took so long for you to have a leading roles that your choice or we did you just not get a break? Um,
Both. Yeah, I think it's both like
You know part of it is like I think it's difficult for some actors to understand what it is. What is it that you have to do to break through and I'm saying like what it what is what's your particular journey to get to that spot where you you know, breakthrough or even understanding? What does it mean to work through like yeah, you know, if for me, I think that was hard because I was
I was an artist, you know said I wasn't I wasn't like I'm trying to play leros I was in my mind. It was more like I have this idea for this play. Then I'm writing a script, you know, and it's this cool thing. I want to direct and like it was my mom was spread in a lot of different places. And so it wasn't it was never about becoming a star ax right? It was it was just about being a being the best artist, you know.
That I wanted to be and I think at a certain point I came to the realization that if you do this one thing you can do everything and so I focused on I began to focus on. Oh, let me just ask for right now. Yeah, and so now, you know, I'm able to do the exact thing that I was doing before it probably like, you know, I've had a lot of people tell me that you should have went to LA sooner and
like, you know, they were probably right, you know, but I think these happen when they're supposed to happen also like, you know, I better suited for the life and the pitfalls that they come, you know, because it happened when it happened, you know, I'm saying like I've been later. Yeah then later. Yeah. I'm I'm Les, you know prone to squander it.
Right because it have when it happened. That's it till George Clooney Theory, right? Yeah teeth when he became really successful on ER he was much older and it happened to him younger. It would have me, you know, you don't know but I feel like for me it just it was just a thing of focus like once my focus became. Oh, this is what I'm doing. Did it just happen, you know.
That's something that's happened to a lot of actors though. It seems like a common theme of people who have been successful people that I didn't want it. They just put his way to say breaking into the industry like doing plays and doing stage and all kinds of things but not being like I gotta get that. Yeah, and it ends up happening happens organically. Yeah. Well to me it's like because I'll have people that
Whoa, you know those they'll see me out or they'll see me and I just did this Revolt Summit for four Puffs and you know, it's all about, you know, telling your story and let people see that it can be done. Yeah, and people will will like they want success to happen before them really quickly and I was always on the mindset of disrespecting the art form like respecting the people that came before
For me and respect. Yeah, the respecting the you know, the craft like, you know have good teachers have have have find your own. What is your method of acting, you know like and and not not doing somebody else's method trying to approval seek but finding what is what works for you?
And I think it's always been you know, that was success not necessarily like, you know.
Make it a whole bunch of money or people or fame or after a while. You want to pay your bills and you got goals in life. Yeah, like okay now ready for this but it's always been more about about the craft and more about when you get an opportunity you want to be able to like to actually capitalize on it. Did you put on weight for Vontae Mack? I must upright lot of weight for that. You're almost unrecognizable. Yeah.
I put a lot. I think I've changed I'm gonna pass out the PD tests after that. She failed to get suspended from the set for six weeks. I see I'll put on a board it was it was super quick in a month. I put on 25 pounds. Oh, wow. It was stupid. Like it was the most unhealthy weight gain I've ever heard of yeah. It was Susan least 25 and I'm like, maybe less than a month. Just eat it eat it.
In protein diet. No, no steroids. Right is like I don't really know how I did that but I
put on so much weight for that. There's a news article in your
like I don't know how that got into myself like with that stood out. Yo, I don't understand I was taking something for fertility and then you can you explain in 20 seconds.
How Costner gets all his picks back how what in the end drafted the
plot I can no. No
way. I don't think anyone kids will see the hard part is that I watched when I do a movie, it's a flaw, huh. It's a flawed the movie. Yeah. What
what
it is? Wait. Wait, I still love it. I say this out of love. Yes. It's a flow.
But when I white when I do a movie, I don't go back and watch them. Like, let's say you move up I move on
It's very rare that I will sit and watch a movie that I've done and the only reason why I've seen I think half of draft day and I was like just be holds up. Yeah, it's because I was with somebody else who was like, you know, we're going to sit and watch this yea and and
it's the greatest Cleveland Browns moment of I think the last 60 years. Yeah, this is 1964. Yost are getting his pics back.
Back yo cease not allow to highlight any expense and it makes me pool. I'm not a Browns fan
but it makes me like start to put I pull for them for at least the first half of the year just to see if you know, they can have a lot a Magic
Moment. The reason that works as a sports movie and when it's grown on me is the the side characters. I'm really interested in like Montana Max not in the movie that much but I'm like I'm in on this guy was she was in more scenes. Yeah, and the same thing for the quarterback. He decides not to draft and
Did a good job I was like that's the key Remember the Titans is like that too. Yes where the two linebackers should become friends. Like I just I just like those guys. I want to spend more time in them, but they're not in there that much. Yep, but that always works. Yeah. We're in the urine the Ernie Davis movie
theater, but us but it's not enough to give me in the Hall of Fame. Nobody
gets it it helps the candidacy does your the speaking lines and every I had to you Floyd little yeah, I did he's a legend as
well. But but I feel like when
you saying you do three sports movie needs to be
3 3 iconic Parts. Yeah, exactly. All right, so hopefully little
is Iconic now, it's just right. It's just I'm only in there at the end, right?
Yeah. Well if you do the Box a movie, maybe Creed 3
Maybe it's Chris. Hey creepy cousin. I can come in as a cousin. I talked to Michael about
it. You know, I
think I think they would go for that. Well, did you know him before you did Black Panther? We've known each other long time. Yeah known as I've known him
since he was in New York.
He is it be as podcast favorite. He's he's an OG on this sweetest going way back. I think he was on my old one at Grantland. And yeah, we he's been on here for a while. Yeah. Yeah we go back so
and he's telling you about Kugler and he's like do this movie what movie for black panther?
Oh you saying koogler wanted him to
do it. No, I'm saying like B Jordans telling you about how good he is as a director. I'm
sure oh, no, he didn't have to tell me that now because you knew from Crete. I knew from what I knew food bill. Yeah, I know from I know. Yeah, that's all you have to you have to see that and
that's when he came on.
This is voice. No, that's that's I think.
You know, the thing about Marvel is I think what they always try to do is pick they're not picking directors that do big movies like that. They're picking the directed at does the small movie. Yeah. And so that there is like a push-pull confrontation between this, you know their machine and then a filmmaker that wants to do want that has a voice and a vision.
So I mean to me that's what for a panther that's what you needed. You had to have somebody that was like that had its they had intentionality that they wanted to do something in particular with this movie. They didn't want to just make another Marvel movie.
Did you have a moment before you actually did the movie where you're like, am I sure I want to do this. This is going to be really huge movie and if they're gonna change my life, yeah.
No,
no.
No, I knew it was gonna change my life for sure. You're saying was this going to be such a big thing that I've been I didn't want all of the I didn't want that smoke. Am I ready for this? Yeah.
I knew I was ready for the the task at hand to be honest like for as far as like the everyday everyday things about your life that change.
Fame whatever those things like I try not to think about that most of the time like in going into something like you just you just can't worry about that because it also might not like yeah, like it might not change and I think there's
for a lot of actors
There's this misconception because you don't have a sense of like the reach of everything like in and the layperson people don't have a sense of like the reach of the things that they do like. Yeah, if I go home and I talk to my family, they'll say well, when are you gonna get on their name some TV show? That's not as big as anything I've done right and I'm like, I'm not going to go back and do that. Like that's crazy.
When are you going sweetheart go firewood in there in there? That's mine.
My show okay. That's my new we go get on that
shit like but it's in in and sometimes in actors minds. They have this false sense of like what their Fame is or how big of a reach they have it and I learned that you know, you have to sort of like just do the work Ali all that stuff. So to come to you when it comes to you. Yeah, because it's it's it's
It can build something. That's a healthy in your head. So for me, it's all about, you know, really the people you get to work with. Like that's the
beauty of it. All like yeah, I think of the people that I've had the opportunity to work with
and that blows your mind like, you know, it blows your mind that you get to actually like if you wanted to learn this craft and then you get to sit across, you know the camera from from
JK Simmons or you know Harrison Ford or any many of the actors that I've been around, you know, Robert Downey jr. Like, oh, wow. This is this is why I started doing this so I'm not going to trade like that's worth it. That's what's worth it. Is that you did you get to do it with the best people the the other parties like
You know, you're somebody that you love and some of Jesus some of it you don't, you know, some of you know, as far as life is concerned and the parts you don't you just try to avoid it when you can.
Kyle wanted to know that's Kyle over there. How many how many photos have you had to post the last five years with with somebody doing that doing the household does I don't if I don't want to do it. I'll do it. How many times do you get asked is this just part of your everyday life? Nobody? Nobody
asked me to pose like that except for like we are situations when they
do it. That's good. That makes me happy. Yeah, that is my faith in humanity. I think they know better than to ask me that.
Because it's like the boxer,
you know, anytime. There's like whatever boxer they had put has a trigger a letter. Yeah, it's gotta go for some come on. Give me a fist,
you know,
you know, I'm glad that doesn't happen
it most of the time, you know, I'm trying to take it like it's always it's always somebody's
like training camp. Can I get
this and I'm like you could do
it red help you to stand next to you can do you can do it. You can do it all you
want.
And then probably ask him for the sequel
right? Who's asking - just everybody. Oh people are definitely like when is the sequel happening? They're ready? Yeah,
like
people are upset that it's going to take so long.
It's what is it? 2022? Yeah. Yeah, but it's definitely happening. It's
definitely happening. Yeah, but for me, that's not that long because you know, I know what they have to do to get to, you know to prepare for it for us to shoot it and then the the post-production
Like it's a lot. It's a lot of work.
The only thing we know for sure about the sequels that Angela Bassett still going to look fantastic no matter what year you make it she's the eighth wonder of the world is the eighth wonder of the world and she is yeah. It's unbelievable. That's my mommy you talk about she's on tonight. She's a 911. I think she's like 60 now. It's
unbelievable. He's amazing. She's amazing. She looks amazing. She doesn't say that she stays in shape though. She's an age she does not.
Not she does not like I have nothing to say about it except for you a real legend has it right it is I'm trying to make sure I say the right thing.
Yeah, it's gave her props and that's what she needed. Yeah, whatever. It was your SNL experience like
You know what? You must have loved that. It's so weird, right? I I didn't think I would at
first. I thought it was just gonna be so nerve-wracking and especially during that time. I was like do I really need it's the craziest thing you ever do? Yeah, like I don't know if anybody else thinks that but no everybody says that it's the craziest thing you ever do because you you you don't know what to expect.
And if you did know what to expect it would be even worse. So like even like I've you know thinking about going back doing another one. I'm like, wow, I'm excited. But then at the same time will like it's got to be
Yeah, I got to be ready for it. Right? All right, so but it's because it's the it's the first time in a long time that you did.
In that type of experience as an actor where you're like this could completely bomb like it just I have no control over this we can't do another take this is it's not it's not even like a play where you've had, you know a month of rehearsal right? You literally just got the scripts on Thursday.
And you didn't even get they're not complete and you had you had way more than the ones you do. So you've been working on things that you're not even going to do and even that day you've actually done like this preview performance that had her so that the rehearsal there in the rehearsals always is with is better than that than the live performance. Yeah, because you have like this really hype crowd that comes in. So that's actually one of the hardest things if you've ever, you know done a play.
A stage is like the first the opening night is great the second night. You're trying to live up to opening night in your head your head and isn't it always falls flat of that. So the one you do on TV is that is like falling flat of the one you did get their opening. So it's the craziest experience just like all the changes, you know, and how quick it is and
you just kind of flying by the seat of your pants really
21 Bridges 21 Bridges proud of
this seems
it seems like you're really fired up about this movie. I East
it's fun. It was a fun experience because you know, it's you know, it's the first thing I'm doing, you know away from Marvel in a minute. Yeah, and you know, I'm a producer on the movie. Yeah, and you know just
Is been great to sort of to help put this cast together. We have a we have a great cast JK Simmons. One of my favorite actors Sienna Miller is outstanding and she has another movie coming out right now. I think it's called American woman, which I'm excited about seeing Stephanie. I James great acted and and
really really want him in the movie because you got you have two sides. So the playing against each other. I think we needed him and Taylor Kitsch on on that other side and they they kill it. You know I'm saying so
it seems like it's a 90s throwback movie it is that fair is its private scene is
partially like a 90s throwback movie a partially a 70s throwback movie.
Oh look. Oh, yeah,
so it feels you know, it
feels a little bit like French Connection. It feels a little bit like
Take the fugitive. It feels it's like it feels a little bit like heat, you know, it has it has that sort of like intense drive to it. So it's soon as like the action starts. Its it doesn't really stop, you know saying
that sounds like a movie I would watch 10 times because those you named all movies that I love and I watch over and over again this the do you get to yell at any point shut down the bridge top of your lungs. I don't know Dad.
That's how it over I would have shut down. That's hilarious. Are you a good guy or bad guy? There's do. You don't know.
Okay. He's a little bit. Okay
everybody. It's one of those me everybody's a little bit dirty. I don't know who to trust ya your first time movie. Cop roll. I don't remember first. Yes. All right. So we bang that out now. We got it. Yeah kind of now you got to do the boxing and basketball.
So few things it's a few days before that though. There's a few things we got but listen, the basketball is a shelf life. You have I would say three years left. No. No, it's not. Look. Here's why I'm going to make the case. No because you have the basketball scenes. Those are hard. You gotta do this place two months. No. Listen, I know basically you don't physically got to do it now. That's the that's the reason why that's the reason why I'm not doing it because I gotta go back to Panther like that's
You know how you could put a pulling Achilles puller? Oh, yeah, you're smart a tank Carousel. Yeah. Yes like is the boxing. I feel like you could push back Denzel did come in. Did he did we hear hurricane? He must have been late 40s when he did that, right? Yeah, something like that you could get away with that. You just getting good shape. Nobody will know. I don't know but the basketball movie
day like in my mind and my mind is too bad. It's gonna have to
be a coach. It's we figured it out. Yeah.
I said it from the beginning you said no. Well, I
tried to fight it but maybe there's a scene where you you play against the kids because they don't they don't respect you enough and that's when you get to show off. Hey, I
think you need to write this movie. Maybe I maybe for you
wrecked it writer-director. There is one scene where you scrimmage of the kids to really lay down now we get me in that will give me in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that would help. Hey, it's Sam Jackson Coach Carter. That's that counts for he doesn't have enough already.
But it would have counted. You know Denzel He Got Game, you know, he has the
in an apparently, you know, he hasn't seen way we plays one-on-one with real stories true. Yes. The first point was
for yeah, he told that story on
this package Spite and spiked was telling me this summer. Yeah, and I was like yo, this is true. Like he didn't sell came in.
It was worse than that though because he said he wrote it up real and he was talking about how you can never land.
Hey, man, that's how you do it. All right game starts before.
All right, before we go your Giant Sports Fan. You don't have the the chance that much to talk sports. Nah. See the thing. Let's do it. What's what want to talk? We're taping this.
Before Lamar versus Watson, right? So hopefully that was an awesome game, but heading into that game you who are you more fired up about
I'm a dish now watch something similar in the school of Watson. I'm going to school. I mean I grew up. I'm from Anderson, South Carolina. He went to Clemson, you know saying so and then you know, they they they play before, you know, they play before when he was at Louisville one of them, but Lamar was in Louisville. So we've seen this battle before I already know it's going to be who won that one.
Remember Clemson Wayne Clemson was ranked number
five believe it
was ranked number three. So
so when Watson drops to like 12, are you going nuts in the
draft? I am like what with both of them? Yeah. Both of them. I
went well 32 both of them drop like no way in the world either one of them
should have dropped, you know, I was like everybody's going to pay for that
like yeah both of you so I was like everybody, you know, people are going to regret
It you know letting them go and look at it now and I'm saying look at boldo
mean it's for another defining things that's happened in football. This decade is teams just whipping Kyle and I who's also a Pats fan. I'm a Pats fan. We were sitting on this couch because I had to do a podcast after that draft and Lamar's following in the past have the 31st pick and we're like, this is amazing. We're going to get Lamar the whole league is so stupid Belichick's going to do it again Billington. We passed on them and you will like Michelle we were like,
Oh my God. Yeah and then Baltimore traded in and when that happened because the Ravens are kind of arch nemesis. You know, they got him. We were like, oh my God, this is done. They like the way to be good. Yeah, the Ravens would
like the only team that's that constantly is able to challenge the past constantly. Yeah,
they are always scared even though O7 season when we went undefeated in the regular season. They should have beaten us. Yeah, we got we got we got saved by this pass interference call. Yeah, so
You love Watts a time where I think his team's to banged up
unfortunately for him. Yeah. Well, yeah, the the problem is defense, you know, I think the difference in the game is going to be the Baltimore has the better defense than the Texans do
yeah. So are you out when you're on these movie sets? Are you like watching? Well, I guess watching lead pass on all that stuff for you one of those. Oh, no,
I if I if I minimum if I'm doing a movie there's
That's a different type of focus. Yeah, it's like I'll take the time to see Sports in it it all but I do watch SportsCenter, you know, do I do make sure I stay abreast of what's going on or I'll choose, you know one show whether it be first takers or something like that and I'm like, okay. Well, it's everything is going on to get like a half hour Stephen. I have to have to have to yeah, I have to stay abreast of what's going on if
you go on that show
I have yeah first time
actually I think I'm about to go in there again like soon. Oh, okay. So so yeah. Well, this is more exciting this think the talking sport us talking Sports is a conversation just take your just spit. They're just moving people in and out. This is like, this is a really really special. Yeah it is we had to have Clippers Lakers. Okay. Who's your favorite NBA team
now? That's his day. I don't only have a favorite college team. I'm a tar heel fan. NBA is a more about the more about the players more.
At the stories but I keep I keep abreast of of like all the teams though.
So you just follow the players. I followed a
plate. I followed a T
to wear like a Jen's even though you're older than gen Z, you're like the 20-somethings though. Yeah, just follow the players from team that team. Yeah, I do I do. I mean I'm just being
real late. It's like I'm not I'm not like, oh I'm pulling for I think by
I'll watch the stories and then I'll decide okay. This is who I want to win this year. That's that's pretty much how I
do it. Who did you decide on if
we're not there yet? We're not there yet. I think.
If I would choose between Clippers at Lake is right now,
right I think is a fair. Yeah argument. Yeah, I
feel like the Clippers are a better team. I think the Clippers are stacked. I think they have a lot of killers on that team. Like let me just say I agree that it's like it's like that's the guy you that's the guy you hate. You know, you hate him when he's not on your team and you love him when he's on your team, you know, like Patrick Beverley is like that, you know,
Likewise like that, they're just deeper and they like they haven't even had Paul George, you know, you know, I think they get him back tonight. And so so that's going to be when they
have him and Kauai.
With Beverly, whatever shooter right and then Harrell that's going to be a pretty great starting
five. But I do I have to say this. I think the lake is they have a chance that because of their size because because you know teams are not built that way because of how agile their big men are the ability to protect the realm in the playoffs like that with with McGee with Dwight Howard.
He's playing.
I love the accounting and Dwight
Howard Dwight. Dwight Howard is for real. Like he's good, please he's even him free throws
now everyone. All right, everyone already thinks that and I'm like, this is great. He's gonna let you down and I'm gonna enjoy
it listen, but that's why they have they have a two-headed monster, you know I'm saying so, you know, I think their success is based upon when they play Anthony Davis, they can't do it the whole game because they need they need that shot blocking, but they got to have the death squad with him playing Center.
Yeah in the in the floor spread at the end of the game and if they have that, you know with with with LeBron able to just sort of see the floor and find Shooters. It could be hard to beat him. You know, he's going
for the assist title this year LeBron. I think yeah, like a to assist said here's my thing with the Lakers. I don't trust Dwight Howard.
I don't trust Davis's Health. He already has like three injuries. Yeah, there are like anything I say is shoulder and he
said him last night because of his shoulder yet.
Yeah, and it's to do just can't stay on the court and what it takes to actually win the title. It is eight months. It's it's a hundred games and it's really this Marathon for nine straight weeks 16 games for Rounds. Yeah or 16 wins for Rounds. I just don't trust that he can
Kitt what I you know, what I see is different as I see him. I see the he's mindful of that now. Yeah, he's my he's mindful of the fact that he has he has to stay healthy and and he has to play a little hurt. Like I see I see him.
Pushing itself a little bit further. So it depends like a you know, I think there's always something that makes a person go to a different level maybe and around LeBron is gonna is gonna do that because let me you can talk about LeBron being hurt last year. But like that's the first time in his whole career. Yeah that he's ever, you know been unable to place not the first time he's been hurt. It's the first time he's been
unable to please like the Angela Bassett of the NBA. It's just like you don't even know what year it is anymore worth it.
Is this 2018 or 2007? What's going on What's Love Got to Do With It When you when you go to the games are the players talking to you and calling you out? Yeah, some of them. Yeah. It's like they want all the movies you've been in are all like in the Wheelhouse of like yeah, they all those guys are doing are watching movies in their sweets. Like they can't go anywhere. Yeah, we LeBron gonna let go walk downtown. We're watching and we're watching the game in the trailer. Yeah. So yeah, just yeah, we there's a
There's definitely
you know acknowledgement.
I think you need to pack and I think you need to announce the pick between the two La teams. I don't think you can straddle the fence you there. I think you have to pick a side if
you right now to wear a hat. Do I need to pick right now? That's
December 15th.
Okay, I'll come back. I'll come back and
pick. I think you need to make a statement you go to a game and you got a hat of one of the teams and it's like he has chosen.
It's not fair for anybody to have to pick yet because Clues.
Just came back. And Paul. George is just coming back. So I think we need to see like a couple of weeks of that and then we can make an educated. Guess that's what that's that's what I feel is fat.
Whoo, if somebody offers you Clippers tickets. Somebody offers you Laker tickets. Which one are you more excited about like this? So you already picked? Yeah. No. No, it's definitely that was it.
It's not a pig that they just treat you better when you go as a star.
This the truth is the truth. They just have more celebrity friendly. They are more celebrity friends. See the Clippers are still working out of the Donald Sterling are yeah, there's just still trying to figure out the whole buttering of heavy. They haven't gotten apart now they need to work on that first thing. Yeah, but the Lakers that's that's what they're the best at. Did Abyss. Yeah you you
I'm just saying if I if we talking about the whole experience of a night out, you know, I'm right. There's a
different energy at liquor games do
Games has a lot of people that don't actually care about the clippers, but the Lakers had 60 years of fans. Yeah, they've been here forever. Yeah. I mean it matters that you have you have the banners up you have championships up there like
people there's a there's a culture of
its generations of fans. Yeah in
you know, it's a it's a thing to sit, you know in a Lakers game and like if I it's like it's like the
No
to Kang Club of basketball, right? Yeah, if if Nikolas a never stops
going
what actor would you want to get his seats? Because I was making this case the Denzel. I thought Denzel's the lat the natural Legacy take Kitty. So you wanted to see what the weird thing about Denzel is. He's also a Knicks fan he well. I was calling him out for being a sports bigamist. He's from that. He's from
the I know that was the
point I was running. Yeah, so he's like I can like he's
Like I'm done so washed and I can do whatever I want. I was like, that's a great point. You are you sure you can do it everybody he can't yes
who should get the seats though?
Because you could go you can go younger too.
Yeah. I'm not sure who deserves to who because it's not just about hmm. It's who's because it's somebody that's been sitting there, you know wanting those seats all these years that deserves it right and they can't be
somebody.
Falls into it.
Yeah, you know, I don't know if anybody.
And I was going to say the Caprio because he I think I see him again games. Really. I think he's had a
lot Leo is probably the safest bet but I think he does work too much. I think the great thing about Jack was he he once he hit the mid 80s. He was basically like I'm showing up. Yeah, he's making his movie schedule around Laker games. Yeah. I don't know if Leah would be ready to
do. Well, I would say he could share it with somebody else because he hasn't
When he does it shoot he doesn't try to shoot like three or four movies in a year or you know, he shoots. She's like I'm shooting one big movie that that you know matters to me. And in the rest of the time he can go to leggett's games, you know, he can share it with somebody else if he conflicts, you know, I don't know when
you heard Howard where you going to bullets games
definitely not
I have no money my way you talking about
Cheaper back then. Nah. Nah that was that I was not going in. You know,
you're not traveling to see some Tiny Terrible bullet semen was this are sometimes I wouldn't even go in
an hour Howard games like you like, you know,
what's going on with the Howard sports team. They were figured that out there working on it there. Who's there? Who's there like big rival? I
was always how a Hampton right? You know, who's the who's the real hu? That's that that's the thing but
Hansen's usually good right Hey listen,
I talked about how I heard
we had we had you know, some promising moments last year football, you know, Kevin Owens brother little brother.
Yeah, it was playing quarterback.
And other than
that, I don't really know what I could point to see the thing is this is I went to Holy Cross in Massachusetts. It's so easy to be good at basketball. Like I was look at the Gonzaga - yeah, it's like basically for scholarships.
Year, right or five whatever right and you just need to make the ncaa's once get some people and then all of a sudden you can build that do that pretty easily you can well that's that's something a friend of mine. We were talking about how to how do you
build like a really good program at HBCU and you're right. It is much easier in football. It's like you have to have a puzzle box like an army. Yo crew 50 scholarships. Yeah. It's impossible basketball
you a couple celebrity.
Boosters, I think you count. Yeah get a couple other ones from Howard and you guys know and you guys just be like, hey, we're taking this.
Seriously. Are you saying we're going to pay two players?
No, I have better facilities. You've done it go ahead better gym or whatever take better dressing rooms that you will like my rooms. I thought you liked a the players at the table. Yeah. This is your sports movie that what if we play an actor tries to save Howard basketball but crosses a couple lines, right? Yeah, we can play that whole and C double a team.
A player's name that
actually is we shouldn't even said this song
is it thanks for coming. Oh, thank you.
