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Control-alt-delete. You remember control-alt-delete? Is that still a thing? It is. Okay. Things are? I use an Apple computer system. So what is yours command? Well, what's interesting is here's what's interesting straight up. Honestly. When you have Apple computer, you don't even really remember what the reset button is because it doesn't happen very often and I know there's some software engineer reason for this Colonels. Does that, is that something to do with kernels? I don't know. Colonel. I don't know either, but the way that
Apple system is designed. It doesn't get Jack. It doesn't get jammed up as much as the Windows operating system. Okay, that's just this, those are just facts, bro. Sure when I went, I went on to play at one time before I went on deployment. I use that. I use Windows my whole life like most people right. I guess, most people at the time, most people are using Windows and in the military is 100% Windows. There are 10 apples and I was going on deployment and
Somebody one of my friends just kept telling the Apple app a pipe. Like hype hype hype hype, right? So finally I got my wife on Apple computer before I went on deployment.
And when I came home and so I got it set up for and it's a little different, a little bit different. You know, you're kind of a little bit. Unsure, there's some techniques that are different. Have you ever even used an apple? Yes, sir. Okay, so I didn't know these techniques but got the things set up for my wife. I come home from deployment what? Six? Seven months later, come home.
and,
The computer was on whatever and I'm like working with it. And for some reason, it came up and said, well how you know how many times have you had to restart this? She said, zero zero times the computers up and running for six straight months. Now look wasn't like it's under massive stress of high-level computations, but sure enough. The thing kept up and running and when I because a Windows computer at that time, this is like 2003-2004. If you got a Windows computer
Jewelry set in that thing. Maybe, once every other day you had to, you had to do what I'm talking about, which is a little bit of the old control-alt-delete. I don't know what that thing is on. A Apple computer on the apple of your eye. I usually just turn it off as just. Hold the power button down. If something goes wrong, which go doesn't go wrong. Four months, four months stays up and running. Did your Windows computer stay up and running know your will? What I'm thinking about your whole scenario. I'm like what?
What are you doing? That makes you have to go control-alt-delete even on a Windows. No, but this is back in the day back in the day and then it must have been like kind of a clunky computer, probably. Yeah, I mean, okay, a video editing. Okay. Yeah, you put in some high risk high resolution freaking files there and then you start trying to do effects at all, at the same time. All your control, delete for sure, but not Jocko in 2004. That's not, that's not happening with you. One email and the word document. Why am I?
Like they locking up. Yeah, unless you opening some spam or something like this where you know, how they send you this spam? You had execute. I don't know about you, but you know what? I was going to college. I the only thing I think just to put in perspective, truly. The only thing I would be doing on these things was literally, I don't think I've ever edited a video, maybe I've edited now. I've added a couple on my phone on my telephone at edit a video now because I got skills little bit different. But yeah, for sure.
So control, alt delete or power down. What are these things for? These? Are these things, like, physical actions that you can take, when the software on your computer or on your phone or on your printer is confused or locked up or bogged down with too much information or not enough information or it just going into brain freeze, right? That's what happens. Is that why it happens because I don't really know exactly. That's a good analogy for sure. So
To do is you override the software.
With the hardware, with the hard shutdown, you override it. You say, Hey, listen, all these little weird ones and zeros that you've got going on. We're just clear, just cutting the power. That's what you do. You override it.
Well, the same thing actually happens to us as humans. See what I'm saying. I can see, you're not in your head. You're nodding your head. You're like, yes, jacko's gone this. We in our own heads, in our own heads. We get bogged down, we get distractions. We get rationalizations going on. We get debates going on in your own head. And what I'm telling you now, is that the solution to these
Brain Cycles, where they gets caught in a continuous cycle of distraction or caught in a continuous cycle of rationalization or whatever. The solution is the same.
It's a hard action that you have to do to to it's a manual override. We have the capability of manually, overriding our software.
And the way you do that is by taking action. So it's again, here's the problem. Like, if imagine, if the, if the computer had a robot arm, a robot hand, let's say and it was aimed. There's a finger on the robot hand. It was aimed at the button which button the on set and reset button. So it's
It's aimed at that. And if you're a normal operating, you could say, oh, shut the computer down and that robot hand would press the button, right? Okay, cool, but we need some brain freeze. It can't even do that. Right, right. It just, it's just locked up that happens to us and in our brains, right? We were so we know we're supposed to work out and we just go into lock mode. We know where we're supposed to go. Talk to our subordinate about
Out the fact that they're late for the third time and, you know, you should do it. But instead you just go into brain lock. Maybe your wife's doing something that's, could be detrimental to the relationship. Right? And, you know, you should say something even if you'd know should take an indirect approach, but, you know, you need to contend with this scenario that's happening. Yeah, but what do you do? Nothing, brain lock. So you freeze. So, what I'm saying is you can actually do a manual override.
I'd of these situations and you can you need to make yourself.
Take action. So you're saying take action in that direction that you were intentionally or intending to? Yes take action in that direction that you know, you should. And but the hard part about it is
Your brain is the one that's controlling that robot finger. That's the hard part. Yeah, you have to, you have to. That's why I have to be able to detach from it. You have to be able to take a step outside of your software system and just slam your fist on to that finger, make that thing hit reset, which means when the alarm clock goes off in the morning, get up. Don't wait, don't hesitate. When the alarm clock goes off in the morning, get up. When you get into the gym, like set. You know, what? Here's what, here's what. Here's an example.
When we're going to roll the unit, when we come in, get when everyone gets on the mat. I immediately start the clock for five minutes to start stretching, right? You have five minutes to stretch. If you don't put a clock on that, how long we stretching for it forever. It'll be a long time because, you know, people are stretching their kind of talking. Yeah, they got fetching tell you yeah, a real important stuff that's real this year. So when you go in there, start the clock. You should put a you should put a timer on everything that you do.
Click, thank you. Basically, that's what should be happening, everything that you do. You should say. All right, I have to commence. You should be us a countdown to go and then a certain amount of time to get her done. That's the way you need to operate. That takes you out of this software brain lock that you can get inside your own head. So that's my recommendation. Yeah, you that that's such a good idea, the clock thing. So even workouts because we're on the same way. Well, I know you already know that about me because I'm the one number one culprit. With the talk.
Fucking thing. Well, you ever seen you in? I, I'll put like a post on the grass and I'll say something like hesitated stretched procrastinating, you know, I'll be, especially on, let's face it on leg day. When we're squatting, can spend an inordinate amount of time stretching. You can spend an inordinate amount of time, checking your form, you know, with the PVC pipe.
Doing all kinds of dumb stuff because you know because you know what you should be doing here. So you need to get off that. Yeah. Yeah, you have five minutes to stretch son. Yeah, and that's like well, I mean obviously depends on your body but five minutes long time a solid right there again, depends so that don't. But yeah. If you don't and depends on what kind of person you are. But yeah, if you got other stuff on your mind, especially if you have other stuff on your mind, don't let it be like three, four things on your mind.
And then now you got to go focus on something. Meanwhile these things pull. And then yeah, you get that weird brain lock thing. I wouldn't comment on what you think about this. So I thought when I first when you first started going into it control delete, I was like all yeah, that's like a vacation. You take a vacation. That's what it is in a way, you know, your mind, what's the difference? Like it's always in the tropics, the gutter, but it's actually a chopper to track down the
100% sexy over by the pool. So you got chronic what's the to Chronic and acute will say. So it feels like you're talking about like a cute brain lock will call it for lack of better. But if you got chronic brain lock where it's like, you can think of this direction where you need to go or this like that. Like yeah, your whole life is sort of boxing area. Yeah. And you feel like because you know, you can get and it's like a version of tunnel vision or whatever where you're like going in this direction. You're like, man, this is not, it's not like I
Can't figure this thing out, whatever Direction you're going in and you've been working at it for how long and it's still not just, it's not producing and then you a lot of times Your solution is to detach because from a different perspective, you're like, oh shoot, I missed all this other stuff and then, boom. But vacation in a big way. Depends on where you go. Depends on what you're doing. It depends on who you ask but vacation in a big way can provide that
Then why aren't you coming up with Nobel Prize on the regular basis? Only a dancer, but now I'm right. Anyway, it's true though. I think about it. Even if you physically go like a super high like on a mountain or something like that. Like it'll kind of provide that for you brain. It's true. That is true.
What you said about me detaching to find a solution to the problem. Yeah, I was talking about this on the academy the other day and what I said, was the solution to the problem is not inside the problem. Hmm, and when you're in the inside the problem, you're not going to see the solution. It's not.
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