Joe Rogan, thank you for coming your first podcast.
My pleasure condemned. Thank you for having me. I like the way you do
this. We come to your studio. It's easy. We see it. Here. We do it. Jamie has to work extra. He's not happy about it seems but that's okay. That's alright.
Thank you for letting me. Do we wanted to follow up? Lex, Friedman with somebody bigger, and that person is you, and
then, and
it's I want to ask you because it's been, you know.
We were just talking about the Hamptons at how crazy people go. When they have an insane amount of
money. Yeah, you've done very well in the last forever. But in the last year, yeah, do you is it weird as a comic the types of people that you can be around
now or it's weird. I'll get like messages from celebrities like random celebrities. Usually about covid advice, right? Like I get no bullshit. I've have like dozens of people. Yeah. That I've never brought their names up like a famous actors, right musicians.
Is to just contact me for covid. Advice. Interesting. Yeah, it's that's weird. But it's also weird that they can just, they know, I know them. And I'm famous too surreal. Like, I've reached this weird spot where I like, I feel comfortable meeting famous people like hi fellow famous person, right? Whereas I was plagued by imposter syndrome like for forever like and I'll get real weird around actual celebrities. Like I got to run to the store right now with the freaks, you know, but now you're cool.
That it's it's more. I'm just more accustomed to it, I guess but the the money thing in the celebrity thing and all that stuff, it is odd. And it's not good for a comedian Canadians are best off known but not too famous. Right? Because you get to famous and then you get scrutiny from people aren't even really fans and start picking up out your material or looking for, you know, where you've aired on the PC side right now and where you're not woke or
where the, what do you
That is with comics where if they get too much money or if they're they get too big, a lot of them lose their
mind. A lot of them have real big problems. Well, famous people lose their mind, right? Just in a totally unnatural state of existence right? Where everywhere you go people know you and they're all happy to see you, right? And then you also surround yourself with a bunch of people that don't tell you the truth. That's that's pretty common. Right? And you got to find a way to mitigate that, or you'll go insane, where I have to have something you do. That's
Like an absolute thing, whether it's a workout thing, or you play chess or you fucking whatever it is. You have to have something to do that. You do. That's really difficult. Yeah, that doesn't give a fuck. If you're famous. Right? If you don't have like, it's I look at it, literally like, like, it's a, an exercise for maintaining sanity like this. You have to brush your teeth. You have to go work out, right? But it's not just your workout to be healthy. It's also work out because it's so hard to do right that everything else seems
Easier right over the last year, you've
kind of become price. Is this the most heat
you've ever taken for the position it would for about covid about the vaccine and stuff, like that is here because I know that
the trans MMA thing was big but it didn't feel this big. Well, the
trans i'mi'm, a thing was big but it wasn't, it wasn't valid. It was people that don't want any criticism whatsoever about trans people and I was like, look, I don't have a problem, trans people have a problem with someone.
In that there are biological woman and fighting women. Once you say you're trans and everybody says, okay, I'll fight her fine. I'm fine with that. And in fact, MMA is one of the best places for that because, you know exactly who your opponent is, right? Unlike like this swimmer, was it, you pain? So it is, I don't know, whatever the swimmer is. It's like lapping all these biological women, right? That's fucked, right? Because they don't have a choice, they have to go. And fighting is your you're more of an expert in finding that
then many things, right? This is, you put your knowledge of fighting up there and the knowledge of an advantage. Is that a biological male has over? If your giant the advantage and I don't think to go away right in two years of, you know, hormone treatments and so, right. It's, it's too much of an advantage, but if a woman is a biological woman, who wants to compete against a trans woman, I have zero problem, right? And there was a situation like that recently. Yeah. I know. Comment about it, right? It's basically some Regional level Fighters.
And one was trans and she was a former like, Navy SEAL like fucking super Jack, right? Yeah. I'm still look like right, you know, like a Savage. Yeah. And then became a woman and fought him in May and right but apparently was a good fight to she almost lost in the first round 1. In the second round. I don't care. Right my issues not it's on the anti transposition. It's like her. Sure can't pretend that that's fair. That you don't tell someone that you were a biological male for 30 fucking years, right? 30 fucking years of having test.
Drone pulsing through your system and strengthening your tendons in your muscles and changing the way. Your mind works. Right? It's a different mind. Yeah, female solutely. That's so that was a lot. That was a big one but it was more like I realized that people will distort your perceptions on things or your positions on things. This is different. This is like the government gets mad at me. Right? Like this is crazy. This is
the most headlines about. I think I've ever seen a private individual take outside of like
Somebody's leaking Secrets or something. Right? I mean, this is a pretty now obviously you're you're you're fine. They're not, you know, they're not disappearing you, right? But in terms of just criticism, you know, you know fauci and the, you know, people have addressed you
personally, you know, like the media has kind of gone after you
personally does it. Does it affect you at all being in the midst of this shit storm on the level? You
Or in it, which is pretty, you're
pretty Central what
it has to affect you because you're aware of it. If you're aware of it. It has an effect on you. The question is, do you change the way you operate? Like, do I decide? And now I'm going to play it safe, and I'm going to just have podcast with athletes or comedians. Just talk about silly things, right? I could do that. Right? I could just decide to bail out of it or I could just do exactly what I want to do, right? And do exactly what got me here in the first place. So that's what I do.
Yeah, I'm aware of it. But I'm like right now it's I know what's going on to you know, what's going on. One of the reasons why they go after me is that they realize I have a lot of influence. Another reason. Why is because they need a boogeyman like the mainstream media needs a trump. They need someone they might because on their own. The problem is it's a lot of it as editorial opinion Pieces by morons. Like they're really dull minded, folks. He's not the brightest. Well the reason why the
Out there in the first place is not because they're these courageous pioneering thinkers. Right who have like compassionate intelligent views in the world, know, they have followed narratives. They read teleprompters when they say things that align with whatever the ideology is of their Network, right?
So that's what they do. Do you have, do you have people that disagree with
you on this issue that and I'm sure you do that. You
respect. Yeah. That you got
Sam Harris, something like that. People that go I feel
You because it's a big issue and it's like a
life-or-death thing.
It's an important issue. People have very strong feelings about it. Do you like, obviously there's a lot of disingenuous people in the media that are doing it for clicks. But do you have people in your own life? Who this is kind of don't want to say a rift but like have you fallen out with people over it or have you? Okay?
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's its controversial. But at this point particularly when I see the way the government's behaving
Um, the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of generic treatments that are available whether it's hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, there's a concerted effort to demonize treatments that many, many, many doctors are using and right countries are using there's fuckery going on man. Shores in is brought to you by Pfizer, right? If you watch the root of this fucker, it's real clear. And so I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying. I'm not saying
that you shouldn't get vaccinated and I'm not saying that vaccines. Don't have a positive benefit for a lot of people. They most certainly do a lot of people got covid who are vaccinated. It was way better for them than not being vaccinated. That's a fact right. Another fact is there's treatments that are available that could stop it dead in its tracks, particularly monoclonal antibodies. The the you'd bite Administration is doing their very fucking best, to make it really hard to get, monoclonal antibodies and according to Peter, McCullough. Dr. Peter McCall. Who's the most published physician?
In history, in his field, the most published ever. He's a rock solid position without ever having any controversy in his career up until covid. He says, there's enough, monoclonal antibodies for the entire country. He's like, they're doing their best to try to prevent this because if you get that monoclonal antibodies, it stops covid dead in its tracks.
So why wouldn't I early treatment?
Monoclonal, antibodies knocks it debt. Did it with you? Ya did it with me, right? And second, why not go that route, and I know Pfizer's make a lot of money want to vaccinate.
Eight people right? Want Universal vaccination. Yeah, you could ascribed. You could say there's all sorts of like Sinister motives for that show us, you know, you could say they don't want to control group. They want the entire country vaccinated. So if health problems happen, there's no one to compare it to. There's like there's a lot of things that you could say. There's you could say that. It's just a gigantic money grab that they have some sort of a very close relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccine. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck it is, but I do know that there are treatments and in a
World would be pursuing all these treatments. They wouldn't just send you home, right? And say they can't, they can't give you Ivermectin. They can't give you anything else. They just come back when your pulse, your blood oxygen level drops below 92. That's the abnormal, right? That's not normal with any other disease, right? They have the best off-label treatments that are available that people are using and there are randomized. Controlled trials that show that their work. I don't know if they fucking work or not. I'm a moron. All right. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a epidemiologist. I'm not a virologist, but the ones that have
Talk to that are that have treated thousands of people.
They tell you time and time. Again, that these are
effective methods, it point to uttar Pradesh in India. That's knocked it out using entirely this combination of ivermectin and a few other off-label drugs. They point to all these different countries, all around the world that have experienced very low rates of covid. And they said why does Japan use Ivermectin right? All these other countries using right? Why is CNN pretending Veterinary medication when more people have taken Ivermectin than?
Our horses on planet Earth, right? It's
fucking none of the media has clearly attacked. You using a Playbook that has only made them
look very
disingenuous. And you've I think more people's eyes have been opened by the media
lying about things you've said or misrepresenting Ivermectin, as horse medication, things like
that. In terms of, I think one of the criticisms of
people
I've had is they've said like why not bring on people that are more probe X have. So you put on there certainly House on YouTube to. Well I had him on I had wanted to Patrick on, I had a conversation with her about it in the early days of the podcast. I had Michael osterholm. Who is he's a infectious disease expert. I had Peter hotez, who's a vaccine expert, right? Quite a few of them on? Yeah. The thing is like over time. I've noticed that the mainstream narrative is being
Did in a way where everybody steps in line, and people are ignoring all these other things that we talked about, the, they're ignoring the suppression of monoclonal antibodies. They're ignoring the suppression of treatments. There's a
lot of shit, how many of those dudes
reached out to, like, come back on again, or you have, they like osterholm are people like that.
Is it weird? Because also people bring up this whole thing that you have where you go. Listen, I'm not anti backs, right? I'm not you have a whole thing where you talk about like that. A lot of people that are against all vaccinations
are
Are historically, you know, they, you know, they've been proven wrong like we've stamped out a lot of diseases.
What about what about like the because I would wonder, because I wasn't a vaccine.
Right? Didn't know for sure. He's in therapy. That's part of the problem. Yes. It's kind of an experimental thing. Yeah. I mean the experiment is massive. Now. It's billions and billions of people worldwide. Right? But it's essentially experimental in terms of long-term Health consequences. Why should I wonder about guys that? Because there,
there's because they don't seem like bad people lost our home. Our guys act, right?
They say,
Never been bad. People have never been bad people. And
are they just looking at? Well, all these people a lot of them are faring better
with the vaccine if they get covid, so they're not looking at the other adverse effects. There's, there's a bunch of things you could say. I mean, it's a lot of it speculation. But again, there's a lot of people that benefit from being vaccinated, right, fact, right? There's also people that have horrible reactions to the vaccine. That's the fact to like there's a lot going on. And when you're only allowed to look at one group of,
Of one, you know, example of evidence and not another example. Like one a positive example versus a - exact. Yeah, that's not good for anybody. No, it's not sucks for me that I'm stuck in this weird
position your hand. This crazy
position as a comedian. Yeah, MMA, commentator
podcaster, but you the show has become such a massive. I mean, they put out numbers the other day. I mean, you're the leading media figure how right now dumb is that? Well, that's why I know that. I know that I should be, you should. I was so
Man that you are and I called my producer and I fired him, I'd to rehire him so I couldn't find anyone else but I was so angry because I don't have guests and that's what a real media person should do. I have no interest in anyone's opinion, just like my mother who's a schizophrenic. She never had to have anyone over to have a good time. And that's the way I do. But you now have a crazy amount of people listening, do you feel because people going to guilt you, people try to go. Somebody didn't get vaccinated and they died of covid, and they try to go. That's Joe Rogan's fault. This is
What people say? Well, that's what they say. Well, that's what they say. I mean, this is their whole thing, right?
This is what I would say. Yeah. I didn't the doctors, give them treatment, riding, the doctors, get them my phone buzzes. Why would they denied monoclonal antibodies? Are they request them? Did they know about them? Right? You know, why didn't they get IV vitamin dripping fusions? Why don't they get NAD? Is that available? Yeah, isn't that available? That seems like especially IV vitamin trips like that. Shit's very available. We know that high level vitamin drips, whether it's with with especially
CDs ink glutathione, all things, like hugely, beneficial, to any kind of disease. People have, for sure. I've got them. I've got him like as a, just a health remedy. Yeah, for the last few years, and every time I do it, it feels fucking
great. And, you know, people
personally that have had problems with the vaccine. I know quite a few of them. Yeah. Now I know over 15 people, right? And it had like, serious side effects that yes, both men and women menstrual issues. Menstrual issues Strokes. Yeah, neurological disorders. What on out fatigue. So what's in there?
Illogical decision Centre of body shake cheese. Yeah, and you can't do anything about weird ones, man. There's and it's the thing is, when you're vaccinating this, to be fair, you're evacuating hundreds of millions of people in this country alone. You're going to get adverse side effects on any medication, right? The thing is, if you look at only that girl, like if you vaccinate a hundred million people,
they think that the
adverse side effects and they don't really know because the tver report it's kind of, it's very underreported, and it's also, it's hard.
To see whether or not the it's 100% accurate. I don't know how much they investigate where an individual one. Right? But
if you they seem to think that at a low
number, like a conservative number, it's like one per 1000. So if you vaccinate a million people, you're going to have a lot of people that have adverse side effects. You vaccine, 200 people going to have a lot. So this is what we're dealing
with. Yeah, and that doesn't get any play. It doesn't date suppress it. There
was a kid on tick tock.
That had myocarditis and he was a high school kid, like an athlete. He was in the hospital, and it got millions and millions of place. They removed it from Tick Tock, because it doesn't fit the narrative. Like that's what's fucked.
That is, that is really an indication
of a much larger problem.
Yes. Yeah. Problem is they think they're doing good. I mean, it's 13. You will
got it and died a day later, quite a few. There's a few kids that unfortunately, you know, have passed away. Yes. I have a friend in one of his good friends daughter God.
Choose 14 years old and just immediately, respiratory failure. They have put her in the ICU. She's fucked. You know, there was one of the girls in the trials that was 13 years old. It's confined to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. And you know, you can't sue, not that sewing would matter what it's your child. You can't. That's part of what's going on the embrace. You saw authorization, it exempts them from any and you're talking about these companies that have always historically lied about adverse side effects. In order to make profit. They've done it with vioxx. They've done.
It with a bunch of other drugs, brass Pfizer's. Like one of the most fine company. Russian
vaccine. Sputnik is actually, the best
vaccine must be. Very good. It's actually the best vaccine. It's crazy. And another one of these people must be very good too. Yeah. Yeah, the Cuban one supposed to be relaxed. Friedman is in it, you know, lacks is an agent of Russia. He works for Russia. Definitely does and he's here in America. Now these related to
pootie, all he certainly is his son. Let's freedom is the son of Putin and his Lane, Maxwell, real names. Damien keep it on.
Keep it on the low but he was talking about Sputnik and I researched Sputnik and Sputnik is actually good. Yeah, could you instead of with the Ivermectin, just pitch Sputnik? Well, I that way they're going to divert the people that are angry at you and you go. All right. I'll give you a vaccine guest. Got
Russian one. It's the best one gets pumping one. What's your Huber one called? Do we do know? It's good question. James is dead. And you have one that's coming out. Apparently that is it's an inert version of the virus like an
School vaccine,
so that's what you want.
Well, I don't know, man. I mean, is that good? Is that bad? I guess you don't. Nobody do. Well. Here's the thing man. What about treatments? What about these fucking treatments? How good is this? Pfizer pill? It's coming out. Yeah. Good as the Merc pills coming out. Maybe that's the way. Be there. Great may be a good thing to do is get the natural antibodies for an affectionate have a really effective
treatment at all. So you're right about this. You can have the body positivity shed know where you tell people, you can be fat and that it's great for you. You shouldn't deman.
Is fat people. But you should also be very honest with them about. You're making a choice. Yes, just like when you become a comedian, you're making a choice. Yes. It may not work. Statistically. It won't, but you can try and good luck. Right? It's like you become an actor and artist. Whatever being fat is kind of similar to that, where it's like, it's probably not going to work
long term. It's even worse with covid apparently because there's something about covid that targets fat and it does. Yeah, and there's they've shown significant.
Numbers of people that are in the ICU that are overweight. It's right. It's one of the
worst things. And in the beginning, they weren't as honest with
that, right? As they are now. Well, that's the thing. It's like there's things that upset people and so because they know those things upset people, don't talk decide not to talk, right? And you know body shaming
is one of those things, right, but it's true that you have a much
higher risk. Yeah. It's true of having adverse reaction to covid hospitalization.
Death. If you're a fatty boom body. Yeah, I
think if we're really lucky, these
Merc pills or the fires are, pills are excellent. And then, also, this Omicron, you know, I've heard, I have a friend who is a biologist who's talking to me about this. He goes essentially, what this is, is a live vaccine. It's a vaccine that's burning through the population. It's not, he's saying he's saying it's not good to get it. I'm not saying it's good to get it. What I'm saying is it's a respiratory virus and it's almost inevitable that people are going to get it because of the Infectious rate of it. It's super infectious.
Right, and then because it's super contagious. Rather. This disease is probably going to get everybody who hasn't gotten covid,
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Tim what's interesting is that nobody in Hollywood's vaccinated? Nobody talks about it. We know a bunch of photographers. None of them are vaccinated,
right? Really, none of them. They hide it. They hide it that thick vaccine cards, all this by how your body seizures. No.
No, a lot of Hollywood actors are not doing it because, you know, they're younger, a lot of them are healthier. They have access to really good treatment
this at the other thing.
They don't trust, the narrative whatever, they're just not and you know, outwardly, they're not talking about it, right?
Yeah,
like think of how many
Hollywood celebrities were hot. When hard for black lives
matter. Now. Think about how many of them when hard for the vaccine not a lot. There's just not a lot of Hollywood eating
call there when
he went hard but that's his job. Is it? Well, he's yeah, he's a puppet. Let me that's like a little the marionette
puppet e thing. I think I've ever
well. He's a guy that took the 25 million a year, which I get. If somebody pays me, 25 million dollars is only given host to give them a
Lot of money and he and he was getting no ratings and then Trump came in and he goes, I will my aunt loves Stephen Colbert, you know, she's in her 60s or late 50s. She has three or four autoimmune disorder. She's self-diagnosed. She drinks white zinfandel, and she sits in her chair. She has a Loveless marriage and she stares at the TV and Stephen Colbert comes on and he goes Trump's evil and the Republicans are evil. And she cheers and smacks her seal like paws together. And this is how
Gonna spend the rest of her life and I have another ant does the same thing, but she's a queuing on retardant. She watches Laura Ingram, and, and her husband and her are like, you know, it's a Loveless, you know, marriage. And she just sits in her chair. Drinking wine watching, Laura, Ingraham and Tucker Carlson. So people at a certain age, I think when they've given up on everything else in life, they get very political. Yeah, that does happen. This also gives
them meaning gives them something to do. Well they watch their tribe go.
To war. That's right. Well people are into football teams. That's
right, you know fucking go Buccaneers. Right? Right. He's crazy. Paint their chassis.
Yeah, they go insane. It's their team and if your team loses, they get devastated
to you as a highly productive person. Look at people like that and go there just lower life forms that because I'm not even nearly as productive as you. And I look at them like that and I I do a hundreth of maybe a thousandth of what you do and I look at them and go, they're like zombies.
Their bodies and Minds have been taken over. Well, they got it's a trap, right? It's
like if you want you ever watch people play three-card Monte in New York. Yes, and you go. Oh, you fucking dummy. Yeah, he's gonna get stuck in the yeah, like, you get sucked into. All right things, right? You know what I say about? Like, if you get really invested in politics, wrote voting for president is probably a lot like rooting on pro wrestling. That's right. I might make you feel better, but it on how much it really affects the outcome. Yeah, and that trying to pull that back off my sure hospital now.
I mean, if you look at Biden who's clearly, you know, they stacked didn't get past. Even the Democrats are going. This guy is out of it. Yeah, even people that voted for him are going hey, something's wrong. It's clear to see that the the will of the people gets subverted. A lot Yan in many different ways. Sure. And the people who end up running the
show are not necessarily representative of what the public.
Wants yeah,
and how do you eat? I don't know that you fix that. I don't know if you fix that either. So unfortunately, it's just who you end up adopting this kind of cynical position, right? That you can only really take
care of
yourself, your family, your community, the people, you can donate money. You can be altruistic in many different ways. But as far as the government, it seems like an unsolvable
problem. It's, it's definitely complex and it's
Moving in the wrong direction. Right now. I've been paying attention to these companies that are buying up affordable housing. Yeah, if you like classic rock and Zillow. Yeah, that's scary. It is scary. Because do you think it move the entire country into renting? Like that's right. Nobody can own it. That's what they want to do. Right? That's what I'm saying. They don't want anyone to own anything. If you get a giant majority of the population that are just renters, then don't ever owned property. They never have their own real home. Yeah, and then you make sure that you control their weight.
Because you have massive corporations, whether its Target or Amazon, or whatever and they limit the amount of possible growth. You have within a company. Yeah, and there was
that article, you'll own nothing and be happy.
Yeah, 2013 that is wild
and this is, you know, kind of, you know, when you look at a lot of these
think tanks and, you know, groups are very powerful interests.
When you look at the kind of world, they want, they would like to get rid of things like
Car
ownership. Yes. I've been seeing
that to they want to get rid of home ownership. They want people to all be on the grid in a major way. They want
surveillance, you know, cradle-to-grave 24 hours a day, 7 days, a
week, social credit system. Yeah, and the only thing that's left to do seems to be to get in with them so that when they're doing this to everyone, you were with that. Yeah, you're on the right side of the place glasses. Here's the problem. People are
Sing into this willingly. They're like marching into it. It's like my aunt or the other ant, like people as long as their team wins, they don't really care what rights they lose and what things end
up looking like. Yeah, they don't there's a lot of people that don't they, and their so tribal, that if the right wing people want something they want the opposite of that, even if it kills them. And so I think that there's a lot of exaggerated positions by people that take up these really like Amplified.
Right wing positions and it's probably like Russian trolls, right? Or Chinese trolls, or something like that. And they take up these positions, which forced the people on the left to get even more crazy out there. Marxist ideas. And right after this idea, they turn it up there being played, they turn it up and very few. People are all promised very few people have their own.
Like, we're also a silly country house. We have kids in the suburbs calling themselves maoists. Yeah. On ironically and ironic in these leafy, green suburbs, and then we have the
Right? And it's the same kids and they want a return to the Holy Roman Empire. And these are children running around the suburbs that are online all day venerating these Jenna Seidel dictators, and going, this is a good idea. Yeah. It's a silly country and there's a lot of problems and you
know, one of the first indications that I saw that this was coming, was when Comics stop doing colleges.
Interesting. Yeah, because as soon as he saw me, lose the
younger people.
People. Yeah, the comics are like, dude, there to fucking politically. Correct, right? It's too annoying. I don't want to do this. They don't have any World experience and their, their their ideas Preposterous and, you know, they don't want any, they're like the first to say no one should own property. Their first to say that absolutely do that. We need a redistribution of wealth, right? And we
need a little bit of his good. Well, they do, you like want all of it incomes then weíll make money income.
Equality is a crazy statement, of course, is should
People make more money. Yes. Yes, they definitely should sure. If you look at a corporation that's making fucking Untold billions of years and then you go down to the bottom of the chain. And people are in dire poverty that are working for that company, and that company is benefiting
substantially more. Praise in that person's that balances. Well
battle bounces way off and those people have no leverage. Yeah. That's where unions come into play. That's why it's important. Again.
That's why Jeff Bezos recently with Amazon like he's taking the photos with the girl. Yeah. He's
Enjoying it. At least the Amazon employees, even though they don't have food or Healthcare can look at him to go. He's having fun. Do you know what I mean? Where's a Warren Buffett? He's just an Omaha, having sex with kids quietly and worshiping Satan. Is that what he's doing? I come on who lives in Omaha because a million dollars drinks, a lot of Coca-Cola. It's got a hundred billion dollars. He lives in Omaha. Why? Because he likes lives in a small house. He says, he likes Dairy Queen. Let's cut it out. But Bezos, at least he's on a raft with these whores in the middle of the ocean. At least that
T-ball girlfriend. I think it is actually his girlfriend. Yeah, she's really pretty. She's pretty in an interesting way kind of assignment. There's a shapeliness to her. That's she seems threatening like an animal. She looks like an agent kind of like somebody that would play an agent in a, in a, in a movie, which is interesting because she probably is an agent in real life. Well, she
Mossad agent or something, dated a lot of other people. She sounds children. I think she's
American. Well, God bless her, and she's making good choices. I always tell women if you can.
Can marry a billionaire, right Marriott move? Marry a wealthy, dude, hang in there for a couple years,
then that way, but I'm working at a
mature. Marry someone who will Who they make money by destroying themselves while you enjoy it. Which is many relationships. That I know a woman will enjoy the fruits of the man's. Every he will destroy himself and she will kind of enjoy the
money, right? Bubble basis. I believe is retired.
Well is dead.
Down as a CEO, that is kind of like Putin, right? Where they never
really stepped down, interesting. But my my thing is, like, when you have a country that's this silly. Yeah, we're comedy specials, are people coming out, making serious points. You have late night, host crying. You have, you know, the girl who threatened her mother on. Dr. Phil is a legitimate Star right bad baby. Remember that woman? Oh, yeah. She threatened to kill her mother on TV. She's a
Star. Now, she has massive, Instagram following massive. Massive. Where does this go? Right? Pictures of apes are selling for the cost of a Lamborghini. Our last president was to guy who hosted The Apprentice and on his last day of office. A mob of lunatics ran into the capital to take selfies with fucking wigs on it look like a sketch. I would do like it really is.
We're in like a fucking weird movie. Remember
when you were a kid? Yeah, you would hear about the last days of the Roman Empire. Yeah. Well, they were just like eating till they couldn't take any more than shoving a feather their mouth throwing up. Yeah fucking everybody.
Yeah, that's us. And it's what does everything like that? It sounds good. It doesn't sound that bad. But it is it is funny as a comedian when you when you step back and you go like this is really really crazy stuff.
Tough, it's crazy stuff in the problem is, I don't see a
good ending because if we fall into the other problem, is we have to compete with China and China has this amazing ability to control their population through propaganda and intimidation and you know, total censorship which we're like moving in that kind of general direction, right? Which is really scary because the the one way we may be able to compete with China is to become more like China because otherwise like they're so they're so integrated.
There are the government and their business is inexorable. They're connected. You cannot have a corporation where the government's uninvolved. Right? So the government makes decisions with the corporations that benefit the government benefit, the Chinese Communist Party benefit, the country in general and we're on that path to see military-industrial contractors Pharma companies that kind of killed the Obama health care bill, they went in and rewrote that and they were like, we don't want this all their lobbyists had a lot of influence.
Jean
that I mean it's strange to to Really conceived of it as a reality as opposed to just a joke or a you know, kind of a cynical aside. It actually does seem that we're in a stage of the Klein. Yeah. That
somewhat irreversible.
Yeah. I know. It's hard not to be depressed
have yet? I think we've talked about this before. Douglas Murray. He talked about all Madness. A gender issues. Yes.
He was on my podcast, who's saying that these gender issues, where people were changing gender, swapping, Jill's, that takes place in all civilizations that are
collapsing. Now. Why is that? I don't know. Is it people just get bored? I think it's a
when life gets very easy. Yeah, we'll start looking for problems and they start looking to the structure of society and then looking to track sort of dissolve.
Yeah. Because there are legitimate trans people hunt merely clearly clearly.
Lee, I know somebody who's trans who never speaks about it lives. This a woman doesn't even know that. I know great person, born a man. Now lives as a woman, doesn't speak lives as a whoop doesn't speak about is like, well
ceremony so everybody knows. Well, I don't she
probably won't even mind. Everyone has such a Fame whore. Well, we're
white on the park, their white. Yes. As trans as you can guess. Yeah. Look at that and go. Oh, I get it.
So there's no percent. But then there's this other thing where people are going.
I have green hair. Yeah, I'm trans or non-binary. And you go. Wait a minute. Hold on a minute. You're a white female who goes to Wesleyan College, you're dating a guy right here in a heterosexual relationship. He felt no oppression your entire life. Your dad works for Raytheon. Your mother's, a pill addict you go to school and you really Joel song. This is
You go to school and you figure out a way to not be the oppressor. Right? Right, right. You go. I will be different. Yeah, it's true. And as a real faggot, you used to have to be a faggot to be effectively used to have to have sex with man, or if you're a woman you have sex with women and people were supposed to you know, be like, huh. And there was some naturalness to that because like the reaction of people
Was that the thing that you were saying was real, right? And some people were like, it was harder for them to get behind and but you suffered legitimate oppress, you suffered legitimate oppression because the feelings you had were valid and
real, right? Not
non-binary. Impression was he was he was real. Like you were saying, I put a penis in my mouth and people are going, that's odd. And was my father said that because that's hot. No, I'm kidding. She's
He's fine with everything. As long as you just have
to work harder. It's not a hard worker.
But he is. So the the whole thing is this new thing has taken over the gay thing now. Yeah, so it's not really gay people. It's fake. People are kind of looked at his Nazis real. You see two lesbians now because lesbians usually owned businesses, you know, they're usually their capitalist. Most lesbians are capitalist and they're quite vicious. Really a fire people. Oh most lesbians are very competent.
Ball, where is a lot of gay men on the gallon? Ellen is a CEO truly. Yes. She is a real estate portfolio. That's in excess of 100 million dollars. I mean, right the woman was a tyrant. Yeah, but you got things done. Yeah, but now I think the gays and lesbians are like the normies of gays now and there's a new crop of people coming in that don't really have any sex. They spend most of their time online. They're all like,
Actual communist witches and their main goal is to tweet about you. No one even Fox. They're really just tweeting about you. No one's even having dirty sweaty. Sinful sex in a motel room anymore. Everybody's on Reddit talking about you. Have you too weird things weird for me? It's you know, it's really been caged the movie. It was very fun. You never watched it but Pete is great Nichols and may Road. It's brilliantly funny. It's gay people in South Beach to a drugs, having sex, and having fun. We're
The opposite of that. We are like in some sexless autistic Hora hellscape where people just sit around and there's this weird like office politics bureaucratic, like, you know, weird like, you know, you made me upset, you made me upset, like, I grew up with rent, where it was that show? Or people like we have AIDS, but let's have fun. Right? Let's do that. Was the theme of rat. It was like, yeah, we have AIDS, but let's not let it ruin the night. Yeah, and now people are just upset for all kinds of reasons. Its
Weird. And you don't really hate gay people.
No, I don't hate it review.
Yeah, you've been very good to me. Yeah, I'd loving me is like, go golfing with Candace Owens going. I love blacks. So
everybody, man. I have no ill will towards any individual group, right? Individual people, of course.
Silly people are weird is a comedies, gotten weird. Like now at The Comedy Store. You have all these guys and have talked shit about you right now. Obviously many of them are feeble and diabetic and dying. So it's not like they present a physical threat. I mean, many of them are not well, but if you were like, is it weird now with this community
the way it is that so splintered. Why don't know who's talking shit about me and the ones that do, if that is real, I left and I left. I brought a lot of the people. Yeah, and it's better here, right? Right now,
I think there's a lot of fomo going on for sure. Yeah, but then there's also a lot of people that are trying to establish this new position on the food chain, which is one of the ways that you and I became friends, right? So right. The thing you wrote about Louis, right? And I'm like he fucking nailed it because that's exactly what it is. That was a mediocre talents. Yeah, that are looking to attack Louis. Who is at the time and still is one of the best Comics it's ever lived on when the most brilliant comic mind have ever lived. And so when they were attacking him, they weren't just attacking him because they thought that what he did was wrong right there.
Doing it because they wanted to establish that they want to stomp him down because you
didn't even know what he did. You know, like there was just this idea, this very kind of vague general idea of what had been out there and things like that, but
Howard is in comedy. Yeah, there's a lot of cowards and there's a lot of people that take, they take some chances, but then they fucking think about them and they panic and they go back and they will try to attack someone because I think it makes them feel like they're more protected because I offensive. It's like it's a
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Yeah, why it's social media has flamed up. Everybody's mental illness. Like anybody had a little bit of mental illness. I get fucking through buckets. Lighter fluid on that shit. Would you have fauci on the show 100%? Wow, 100%, You don't think he'd come on though, right? I think he'd come on. But if he did, I would request a real podcast. Like you can't come on for 20 minutes. Like, we're going to talk for a few hours. What if he came here? Sat down got high and was the greatest cast you. That would be awesome. What if he just admitted it? What if he's
like, so let me tell you that. Not about AIDS. Yeah.
Yeah, he hasn't, we're making money. We made money on phase. We made money off this. I've got you like wine. Yeah, I'm coming clean. I'm Haiti. What the fuck? He goes. Who gives a fuck you chop them up a couple of them fall down in a Walmart. You are in care. Hi. Early, correct. Yeah, that is exactly what I've been doing my
entire career.
It's a, he's in a, he's me. Tell you about repurposing, HIV drugs. This was how we started. This is Cam.
Gain-of-function research, he just almost shut it down, right? Yeah, 2012 shutdown gain-of-function research. Yeah, and he was like, wary of the implications 100% because he makes s smart. He's a smart guy. You know, how bad do you miss
him? When you look at the president's we've had,
since I still do coke with him. So I don't miss him at all. I would like to do coke with him
and his wife have various him and Bruce Springsteen together, Caesar depressing. They have a bad podcast. I'd like to come in and spice it
up, Bruce has
A podcast with Obama. No, he does. It's terrible.
That is when I should go on and show them how to do it. Like stop. Yeah, like, you know, they get like dance instructors at dueling. Yes, Dancing with the Stars. Yes, they think their dancer. Yes,
you know. Yes, you
know, the real dancers are going to show you how to dance. Yeah. You and I
should go with them out of fucking podcast. What the hell? Are those two
talking nonsense? Oh, God, it's nonsense. It's all like, so it's so aware that we entertain tension. Yes. So we're of like, walking that line.
Of acceptable narratives and nobody cares about it. Right? It's it doesn't it doesn't work. It's crazy doesn't work. That's one thing about podcast. The brilliant thing about it is because there's no print real production, you know real engineering and where a bunch of people like writing scripts and following that is that it's so raw that anything that's not like that doesn't work when it's like mainstream news is so produced that if you had Raw on mainstream news people like what the fuck kind of unprofessional shit.
Is that,
like, Bruce Prince? He's got to turn around Obama during and be like, see your wife's a man. Like someone has to someone has to live in it up with fun stuff like that, which isn't true. But it's a fun way. Weird one. That's it, kicks off. And on, on on, you know, they believe that they do believe that they're hardcore is evenly over. Get trampled that are with you on the vax, but then want you to go much further. Oh,
yeah, they're like little. Yeah. We're
just flat. Yeah, they they don't stop at the facts. They grabbed with much further. Why would you wiggle Hollow Earth?
Go holla. Were they go? The World is
Flat reptile people. Yeah, the Jews
are in the cupboard. It's a holy nation. Yeah, deep right reset.
Who knows what's real and what's not real, right? You go down a list of all the things that Alex Jones predicted. Right? Didn't get a lot of
wrong. Well, he did it, but he did get a few of them wronged up. That's anyone rhymes with Mandy muck.
That's a real. That was a rat's, a
rough. The problem on, if that one didn't exist. Let's pretend that he never fucked that up because he was going through a rough time in his life. He was going to arrive in time, drinking like crazy. He has essentially a psychotic breaks. I mean, he's really open about my uncle went through a rough time. He just played golf, throw it like
sometimes sometimes you did. That's a great point. But sometimes you just gotta
go through the rough time Without accusing kids and faking your
death. Well, he wasn't accusing, the kids of doing it. He was accusing the parents, whatever he fucked up. He's a good man.
The point is if that if he didn't, if you just remove that and then you'd look at all the things that he predicted that are is right about a lot of them. You got to look at a guy like people. Like why would you talk to a guy like that? Yeah, because first of all, I've known him for more than 20 years, where's my friend? He is a very nice guy right here. He absolutely fucked up but he'll
tell you that he fucked up, right? And people fuck up and I think you gotta be allowed not direct the people to do
the harm. No. No, but this is
raised. His fans are crazy. The wow people don't write his fans are
Our, what they, they're a little off. I got news for you pal. So here's our off to my well know it. Yeah, I know
it. No, no avoiding that but the idea that you're responsible for the off, people listen to you and want to start screaming at Meghan, McCain. Stop fucking your dead, dad. Well, that I tell him to do,
I organize that I have rallies, but yeah, but yeah, I'm saying it's right or people are crazy and I are you putting said they wanted to find a conservative on The View. I said, let me go in there with the wig. I'll be the conservative. The
left does any woman even want?
That anymore.
Nobody wants to do it anymore. Tim, who's a Libertarian on
Fox? They were trying to go hard at her, but
she's like, I'm on Gutfeld. I'm on a show. People watch, who cares? They've turned that
show into what they've done, is they've made it, so that all they do is fight, right? All they do is scream and yell. All I do is get upset at people. It's all - it's all demeaning. Yes, all insulting. Yeah. I've just gotten to this point where the show is just got this feel of it. You only watch to see who they're mad at like right.
No, it's a horrible.
Double
horrible experience
for anyone watching or participating at a
truly. This is what's wrong with it. If you got five friends. Yeah. I just wanted to talk about things like that and they didn't have time limits and they didn't know all these constraints that are put on a show like that hinder, the the possibility of it being good, you know this for sure. All the people in the audience. That's a problem. You plan to the audience. Yeah, then you have the fact that you'll have a commercial coming up at 45 seconds. You got to make your point. Yeah, and then these other bitches are trying to chime and you go talk over them.
Can't find a female conservative. No, I think they're gonna have to use that Grandma who was yelling at the Sandy Hook. Parents. I forget her name the one who's like, prove it, you dumb fuck but she's accused of killing on Grandma. I forget her name. Ben knows her name to q and on ground. Yeah. She was this grandma that was in that documentary and she would go she would yell at these parents. It was very sad. She'd be like prove it you dumb fuck another kids and I think she should be on The View or get
Rosie O'Donnell back because she at least question 911. Yeah. Yeah. She she questioned Tower
7. A lot of the things like this. Look that those things are like real complicated. You can't get those
wrong. You can't get them wrong. Yeah, but there's clearly fuckery with that. Yeah, if there's fuckery with the vaccine, there's fuckery with that. Well, there's certainly fuckery in the reaction to that because
we invaded Iraq. That's all you need to know. Like, I had a whole different shot at one point. Yeah. It's like if you can look at what happened.
On September 11 2001. And then The Logical conclusion is, we got to invade a country that had nothing to do with. It's crazy. It's crazy. And then they did it and they said well, there's weapons of mass destruction there. Okay, and they cost more than a million lives and it turns out there were no weapons of mass
destruction. Just a weird thing where I go. I'm just like one of those old school guys goes to show me one video of the plane, hitting the Pentagon and I'm good. See, I think there is a video of the plane. He know, there's
not like a fucking playing, was not look like it's a trail of smoke day. They die.
Doctored it 911 and reported our 911, the new Pearl Harbor. Is it crazy documentary by the Italian guy? Maximum Zuko. It's five hours. Watch it. You people have nothing to do. It's five hours,
good. It's great. I'm telling you right now. It's a five hour documentary on YouTube. You will
watch it. Get the fam together, sit him down, popcorn, and I'm telling you right now,
because I watched it to debunk it. I watched it to debunk it and when yeah, you start going into the flat, the phones at 30,000 feet. Just people having conversations.
They just not happening. Something's off. You can't have something to tell, y'all 30,000. Something's really really off with that day. But you just can't now in these
Publications that right about me. They describe me as like, 9/11 truther covid denier. It's like I just get all these, you had covid. How can you buy
the iPad? Cause I've never said covid-19 real? Yeah,
you know, I've said, I
know I thought it was good.
Well, I've had people mad at me because I'm medicated because I took medic Atlanta. People's argument is you're in shape.
If
you eat right, you work out, why
would you take the medications? Because it's better than not taking
medication. Like, there's this stuff works. Well, of
course, it's a, no, I'm not saying you shouldn't take medication. I'm saying,
right? You're saying you should take medic. I'm saying you
should for sure. Yeah, ways, but especially if it's proven medication that will ya. But the point is like, you shouldn't have a binary solution for things. So it's either this or nothing. Right? It's either one or zero,
that's crazy. Do you when
people pass away? They donate a large chunk of their for
Until like research and things like that. Do you think you'll donate yours to Robert F? Kennedy junior, or like Dana White? Who will you give your money to Demi
Lovato? She's she's gonna, she's gonna give it to ghosts. Hey, man. She used to live in my building fun woman. Yeah, it's straight. Do you ever think to yourself? What's the next act? Because you've literally, you're the most successful comedian, probably, when you look at all the different things you
I've done, there's not many people that have, like, what do you ever go? I've done it all and that's a little
scary. No. No because I don't think like that ever the crazy thing about all the different things that have done is that all I've ever tried to do. Like, I tried to become a professional comedian, aiesec Eve that. And then I started working as a professional comic and then all the other stuff is just stuff that came up, rather. It's acting a news radio. That was just they just offered me money to do you
still keep in touch with Kathy Griffin, not would though.
No, yeah, it's all over. Yeah, was she on that showing now? No, okay. I thought she was on that
show. No, no, no, Kathy Griffin was on just shoot me, right? What's up? No. No, it was the other one. I forgot. She's nice. Yeah, Vicki Lewis was on Newsradio. Thank you, thinking of, yeah.
Okay. I don't know.
I don't know about her. She's right. Had to. She's asked, maybe I'm getting confused, always joke around that like she was stealing her act which was on. Okay. Yeah, you worked with Phil Hartman who is like one of the
these people ever. But again, that was just like, I stumbled into that right? Like, completely stumbled into it. I had no acting experience where I mean, I've done a little bit acting on another terrible, sitcom that got cancelled that got cancelled all the sudden, my Newsradio working with Dave Foley and Andy Dick and Phil Hartman Withrow acting experience. My God, what the fuck is happening at what's going on? And then I go from that to Fear Factor. I'm like, well, this is get cancelled immediately. Meanwhile, it's one of the most successful reality shows ever. It's like six. What did you eat? What did you learn?
From like that was a tryst do everything. And don't Focus too much on
like because there's there's, there's even though you're saying you're stumbling into them and you are stumbling into them. There's a skill to stumble it, right? There's a skill to being position yourself in a way that you can kind of get those
opportunities. There's that, but there's also being able to handle pressure. Okay, they like being able to handle auditions pressure, being able to handle the pressure of speaking live in front of a large audience.
Whether it's doing the UFC broadcast or doing a comedy show or a podcast, gotta be able to handle pressure. Right? Some people just suck at pressure. You know, I always put myself in these positions where I have to perform at a pressure because opportunities are available there because so many people don't like pressure. So I look at our, oh, they're scared, people are scared of this. So I'll go do that, right? That's less people doing it and there's it's more exciting to me because it's kind of dangerous but scary you
got into. It was your family like, oh, this is cool or were they
Now, what are you doing? You doing idiot? Yeah, I go to school get a great career, right? Real job. Like you're not funny right? There was a lot of. Right. Right, right. I was fighting like you gonna get hurt. Yeah. There's like everything I've done. Like, what are you doing? You know, it's just, it's hard. If you have a child and you want your child to be successful. You don't want your child. Take some wild crazy, fucking chance that. What is a million-to-one chance. It's gonna pan out probably more than a
million, right? Was your childhood like to
show Cobra Kai at Netflix? Where you're just fighting people all the time. That's what I imagine it is.
Is your just fight your in a dojo? You have a Sensei, you just fight the other kids at the at the, you know, Nam. Well, I did fight a lot of people but I did it mostly in tournaments, but I did fight in dojos a lot. We had never really know Jo fights. Not that. I know of. Okay.
Why were you fighting everybody with a fighting you?
Yeah, we like guys would come in from other schools and they defile challenge us. And I was often the guy who got thrown in with
them. Yeah. When you were younger. Were you bullied what?
Motivated you? Yeah. Yeah. I was small. Yeah, guys, would pick on me and I moved around a lot. Like we moved all the time. Like I lived in San Francisco from New Jersey to age. 7, San Francisco age 7 to 11, Florida, 11, 2013 Boston 1324. So I was talking to move and cons, right? So I never really established a great group of friends that I was tight with. Right. I was always the new kid, and I was not big, so I got fuck with right. So you learn to defend yourself. Well, I had to when I when I moved to to know
Newton. I got fucked with like by a bunch of kids and it was kind of scary, you know, I didn't know how to defend myself and I was like fuck like I got to do something. And so I started taking martial arts and it changed my life 180 degrees like rat, turned it around 180 degrees, right? Then also know, I wasn't worried about conflict anymore. And then I became obsessed with being like, Oh, like a world champion. I became obsessed with being what you have. Like one good teacher with. There's a few good teachers just and out. Yeah, I quite a few but I went I got very lucky.
I went to this one school. This Jae hun, Kim Tae Kwon Do Institute in Boston. That's like one of the most highly respected schools in the country at the time. At least. And it was just dead lucky just deadlock. I just happened to go there one day, right and I happened to go there while this guy. John Lee was training for the world championships and I happened to watch him train like when he was at his peak of condition when he was a national champ and and I became obsessed, right? And I was there every day, so my most of my high.
Cool from like age 15. All the way until I was 21. I was just obsessed with martial arts and competing right traveling. All over the country. That's mostly what I did. And your friends. I guess more people in that world. Yes. Yeah. Some of them like my friend, Steve Graham. I'm still really tight with. Yeah,
and how did, what makes you go from that to Comedy? Well,
it's kind of an interesting trip your brain damage. Right? There was a little bit of that because I was, I was definitely aware that. I was getting hit in the head too much.
Especially when I started kickboxing. I had three kick boxing fights. And when I was training for kickboxing, which I did for more than a year. There was a lot of getting hit in the head. There's a lot hard sparring rounds and then I was also watching a lot of other people that I saw that had brain damage was like, this guy is not who he used to be like he's slipping and then I realized like, oh my God, this is happening to me and there was no money in it, right? There was no UFC back then. So this is 1988 89 Sy? Feel like you gotta get out. Yeah. How to get out and I had to get out.
Soon before I ruin my brain, you know, and then also, fortunately, my friend, Steve that I was talking about earlier. He was one of the people that told me I should be a comedian because I would we would go on these trips to go to fight in tournaments. Right often times be on a bus or we travel by car together and we'd be bored. And I would be the one who made everybody laugh. And so like, if we were like getting ready to spar, everybody would be nerve Rick super nervous. And I would say the most inappropriate shit, right? And get laughs out of people. And once I knew that I could get
Laughs. Then I would just try to do it right. Whenever I knew people were nervous. I would say the inappropriate thing or do impressions of people or impressions of like our instructor having sex, right? See you just establish yourself as kind of a funny dude, silly. Yeah. I was really fun would like it was Gallows humor, right? Everybody was so scared. And I was also with alleviate some of the pressure of like getting scared. Before you go to a tournament. We're all scared, right, you know, and so my friend Steve said you really should be a fucking comedian. Yeah.
Wow, man, you think I'm funny cuz you like me, I go out. Other people gonna think I'm an asshole, right? And he's
like, I don't, you should just
just go and just see an open mic night and try it. And so, I did, I went to an open mic night. And were you hooked on night one? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, Richard. Jeni had a great Point. Yeah, goes horrible. Comedians are amazing in that they inspire people to try it because you look at someone who's terrible and you go. Well, I can do that vans, that guy, right? I'll give it a shot. Right? That's what open mic night was to be rise. I thought of
End up like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I thought, like I can't do that. These guys are too good. Right? Then you go to open mic night, you go. Oh, some of these people are terrible, right? And they're doing it in, like, I can kind of do it. Like they're doing it. Maybe a little better than them. Maybe I can maybe I could do this. And then on the same night, like, there was like, Jonathan cats was the host of the open mic night from Miss. Dr. Cash in Boston. Yeah. He was the host of open mic night. The first time everyone on stage and then on that night, some other real.
Real professionals went on, like, Teddy Bergeron went on. Yeah. I got to see him go on and I got hooked immediately. Yes. I did my first set and then I almost chickened out. I get really close to chickening out. Oh my God, I came that close to pussying out. Yeah. And then once I did it, I was hooked and then I started doing it all the
time and you got successful pretty quick, pretty
quick. Yeah. I mean, luckily and Boston, you could get work pretty quick, right, you know, so like within one year of doing Open Mic nights and, you know, and we mean Fitzsimmons and I started out
And we would draw Greg and I would drive together to Rhode Island to do ten minutes, right? We drive ninety minutes to tell what year was that? 88? Wow. Yeah. Yeah, we'll start in 88. We both started with like within a week of each other. See you again. Accommodate. Everybody smoking cigarettes. Oh, yeah, right was the oh, yeah, you
know, old school. Oh,
yeah. Yeah, bars worth nine. It's improv comedy. Yeah, there was no idea. Like there's no non-smoking ride, right? Yeah. It was hilarious. Just everything, spoke everything else, right? It was crazy.
We'll just you would you would go out do the 10 minutes? Yeah,
sink or swim? Killer bomb. And then you would be back on the road. Yep, and then we would try to go to different places. Like we would go to a couple different spots and night. If we could, you know, sometimes we knew another guy, one another room. So did you know back then? Would
you look at certain people and go?
That guy's gonna make it? That's a lot of people, I thought were gonna make the didn't and what, what do you
attribute a lot of that to? Why do you think a lot of funny people? Because I've
seen that now, I've been doing it about 11 years to the probably almost 12 years now,
The people I was like that person was really funny. Yeah, and they didn't get to that next level.
I don't know man. Yeah, I don't. I mean I think that a lot of drinking, that's what a little trog sometimes drinking or drugs that could be it. But it's also there's psychology involved. Yeah, the the Mind Games that, that the unknown and the uncertain play on people. Some sometimes people just cracked. I try, I can't take it anymore. Just like we were talking about Fame. Yeah, people crack under Fame like that.
Get to a certain point where I can't handle this anymore. The camera. I don't know what's real, right? They crack under that. They crack under the pressure of not knowing if they're going to make it. I mean, I've seen that in actors to like and I've been friends with actors that were like they'd get on a show and then you know, that audition for another show and then maybe not make it. But maybe have like another callback for the thing and they're always in flux and it will go crazy because they didn't know like, what am I doing with my life? What is happening? Is this going to work out on my end?
Are crying freaking out. It's like, right, just the uncertainty in the unknown. For some people. It's just too much. It's too much. Some of them are really fucking Talent. Some of them are really funny and then there's a lot of
people that are somewhat mediocre but they have mastered the unknown.
Yeah, like
that. Well, there's delusional. Yeah, there's crazy people out there that have that can channel that into certitude and then they start convincing themselves. Like they've convinced themselves.
If they're great, and then they start convincing everyone else and it's kind of like the emperor has no
clothes where I was like, I guess they're great. Well, I don't even know about that. But one thing that some mediocre people do is they're not funny at all, but they've managed to stay around right here. They are 10 years later. Yeah. There's later. You're still here. Yeah, I'm going up
hosting that show at the
still doing it. Still doing it.
Yeah. Do you hear, do you think
people that are starting comedy Now
are, is it going to be a completely different?
World where I tend to think.
Now people that are starting are going to have to go to the internet
and and almost the same way that you were taking a beating at
open mics and things like that.
They're almost going to have to take a beating on
line in front of a digital audience to build their
thing because the mainstream or the Legacy industry, seems to of Comedy seems to be dying. So even though they'll be getting good at stand-up on the side.
Side.
If they don't have other components, what do you mean by the mainstream of
comedies? The meaning that the idea of moving in New York or LA and doing 20 sets a week and then getting the
Montreal Comedy Festival
and then getting the booker at the club
to see one like you. And then getting a special on HBO,
all that seems to be dying. I know so many people
with our specials and nobody's watching them right. Or
so many people would late night
TV shows, like they're hosting them and no one cares. Yeah, that's true.
And and they're not making that much money and it seems to
Be a smaller and smaller circle of people that this is mattering to Everyday. The internet's expanding. It seems to be getting bigger and bigger. And the people that have a platform
online, the digital platform seem to be getting more and more attention.
So to me is in there, an inevitable shift coming to wear Comics, really are just gonna have to compete digitally. I think
the digital aspect of it is the best way to promote themselves, for sure, whether it's through putting their stuff online on a YouTube or Rumble.
Or Instagram, or whatever they're doing, look at her. What's your now? Turn your head. Getter, that's a new story of why is this party now? I believe. Yeah, why are you
it's a new story that you're on getter. Well, the new story is there.
They're fucking amount of people that signed up increased by one thousand one hundred and fifty percent or something. Yeah, you have the 20. You have like eight nine million followers on get her. Yeah. It's not real though. Is it not? Every owner, doesn't even have nine million. People know relay. It's very,
it's lot of fuckery with
that. This is where the fuck are ya. Hey, calm.
Twitter followers. So I my Twitter followers like 7.8 million. Yeah, and then they Port those over. So I started out with seven pointed know. So whatever I have now if I have eight, it's like really have
200,000. She'll get her. Yeah. Fugazi
cool guys. They say Daisy and every time I post on Twitter, it posts automatically on getter. Oh interest. Yeah. I like it's automatically assume. It's just harvesting your tweets, and I don't know how to get off. Like if I get off a
getter, you have to take
Again, you have to sit down with Marjorie
Taylor, green, personally, and she's gotta tell me all about what's in the basement in common Pizza. He's gotta take you down the rabbit hole. Then you come out the other side of gas. But,
yeah, it seems to me that like, the business is kind of dying. I don't think it is. You don't think it is. No. No, I disagree. I think of it is
this? No, no, that aspect of the business far as like, Montreal Comedy, Festival and stuff like that being beneficial. That's true. That's dying, right? But podcast have taken their place, right? Okay. Medians.
I like Brian Simpson. Who's got his new really? Definitely one of the best. Yeah, he's working with me this weekend at most one of the best. I love him to death. And he now that he has this huge Netflix special, they killed, and he's been on my podcast a couple of times. He's got a career, right? He's killing it, right, he will continue to kill it. Yeah. So this is where
the but he's not as big as
ranbu. So my point is that was that was ran booze. A Minecraft streamers out. Stop pretending. You don't know who he is. Is
that real? Yeah. He's a Minecraft Schumer. My
Point is that things are moving
quickly. Compare ourselves to Minecraft. I
understand that, but I'm just saying, yes, we can. I was in the field and dr. Disrespect has a book. Mr. Beast has a burger. Well, mr. Beast deserves a booster. Brilliant guys. Got a pretty good. It's a great show. Yeah, he does. He doesn't.
He's a Visionary guy. It's a smart thing that he does. He spends a shitload of money on his
show. That's what I mean. These are the new stars, but that's just to the not world.
Those are the new stars in terms of like that would be, he would be a reality TV star like 10 years ago, for sure. Always a YouTube Star. But now he's his own fucking boss and he's doing it the right way, which is why it's so successful. The same thing with your podcast. Imagine a world where an executive bankrolls your podcast and says, oh you going to sit together with your friend Ben and you're aware? Cop sunglasses. Yeah, and you gonna talk shit about the whole world. Yeah. What are you talking about? You
want me to pay for that? I can think of several Executives that
Would fund it. But they're all disgrace, Angelo. Mozilo and Country. Ride dick Fuld at Lehman Brothers. Exactly. Yes. Know for sure. Yeah,
the world has changed but there are new avenues that are available, right? The world of Comedy remains in clubs. Like,
yes, that is true. You gotta be able to get on stage and play and we both. Yeah, that is the most important. One of the most important thing.
Yes. It's like I'm not giving that up like stand-up one fucking awesome. And yes, that is always going to be a thing.
I like to see and it's always going to be a thing that I like to do. And it's always going to be a thing where people want to go see a comic. They want to go live. It's a fun
thing to do. You want to get to the point where people know you so? Well from the internet that when you get on stage, they just clap for 45 minutes. You don't even have to write material, and then you can just leave, you can kind of wave like Princess Diana used to
do. I don't think that ever happens. I think you ever get off course. Now, I feel the heat after about 15 Square PSI. No, of
course you do. I get nervous as soon as I walk on stage. I guess I get the
Mike. I got ya. It's the biggest high you ever have.
It's the best thing. It's the best art. It's also the best thing for the audience, like it, turns of like, it's the most funniest member. Yeah. I love watching. Someone kill. It's fun. That's right. When I laugh hard, like I'm laughing a hard, somebody killing
but you're also from a generation of people that leaves their house. That's true. There's a whole generation of people that are scared to leave the room. Well alone, the house, my audience, and I have a lot of quit. You have to keep evolving, you
should be on Twitch.
You should be streaming. I'm on Spotify. You're a young man.
Lucien. You can keep God. Where's my deal? What did they tell us? Fuck off the ninth time. All because I didn't tell you to fuck off. It's gonna attack the CEO. I said, he was a pedophile. It was a joke. Not real. No one can have fun anymore. I think he said I'm a pedophile to. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I did that, but I said that the CEO was something rather, but then so he's mad at, you know, he's not mad. But apparently because they have you, they don't need me. Yeah, because we have overlap.
And they're still going by the bank should get you. They're still going by the old numbers. They say that this shows bigger than mine. Those are the old numbers. This last week's shows not even on YouTube anymore. I keep telling them. It's true. It's not even on YouTube. They go. Oh, no. It doesn't matter. We have the internals and your bet. Honestly, the beautiful
thing about Spotify has been the lack of censorship and the lack of fear of having episodes pulled, and all that
shit has been amazing. And in the beginning, people thought they were going to be worse than YouTube. They've actually conversely been so much
better. Yeah, there's been.
Much better. I think that's just because people, are they tear, they hate feet change. They hate any kind of, like, Noah's, right thing that's happening. And, you know, also, it's like they hate, they hate someone doing well. So someone gets real crazy deal in there. Making all this money, like sucks.
Now, I used to watch now, I hate it. Yeah fuck it's the world. She sold
out hormones, nor right? So and also in the beginning, I did lose a lot. We lost like 50% of our audience like almost right away. Yeah. Jamie was in a prophecy Panic, really?
Lee. Look at him. Well, he's got so many other opportunities frothy panel. Yeah, but a year later we've got as much, if not more, we have Mor I right? It's better. It's bigger than it's ever been.
You just. It just had to like this is just what happens immediately.
Just like good. Let Me Be 10%, less famous, right? I'll be right. Happy 425. Can be 25%. Less Fame. Yeah. And more money. Well,
that's not the way it's worked out that. Well. That's funny. You said Anna, you're like, let's be a little less controversial, little less famous. Well, I was planning on the other side of it. You have
Trying to drown you outside of your house.
It didn't really want him now. Yeah. Well my God, that's, oh yeah. Yeah, the common for him. They help when a security could the Cuomo's? Yes,
the hell, you and L. You like two Cuomo's. Well, that's a different
situation. Right? The fauci situation, after Rand, Paul attacked him for gain-of-function research and then people started looking into gain-of-function research. And it all came from Josh Rogan's reporting. And Josh rogin, who was the one who showed that fauci funding, the ecohealth alliance that the NIH funding them is
What started up gain-of-function research in Wuhan like after Obama had put the kibosh on it? Yeah, and he's like still in denial. But the NIH is come clean. NIH is said yes, it's gain-of-function. Research and found. She's like gain-of-function research is a very nebulous term, like he
talks so slow. He gets it up to diseases. The guy's a
problem. It's amazing here is like the way he handles where he's obviously cornered, right? And he just like,
Jujitsu zez way, he's also been a government
guy, forever forever. He's been a
bureaucrat
high-speed government employee. Yeah,
and he's paid more than the president. Yeah, and they did a documentary about him and it's
he's very vain the documentary about him is the reason they took the thumbs down off of YouTube. It's crazy. How vain how
vain he is
course, you know. And how, you know,
unwilling, he has to give up the spot light. Even when as you showed me, that Hugh Hewitt clip. People are like, you know, you might have
Accomplish the goal of getting more
people vaccinated by stepping aside. Yeah, because you're not well, liked or trust it and it's crazy to watch him. React to
that. Yeah, you're crazy. A crazy, completely disagree. It's my show. If you criticize Anthony fauci, you criticizing science. Would you have Billy boy
Gates on 100%? Yeah. Yeah, 100% I think that would be interested. Say, how do I get in the club? Yeah. What do I have to?
Well, it's about that time. You're knocking on that door. I don't get a yacht dude. What if you just
reversed everything? You said tomorrow? Like he'll be kind of hilarious and
around. If you just went in here tomorrow and go, you know, I slept on it
and I've decided to double vacs last night.
Yeah, you go. I got double backslash nice shots at the same time. I had a great sleep and I have the CEO of
Pfizer and moderna here and Hillary Clinton. Yeah, and we're all going to tell you, everything's okay. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's the move. Does he
scare you to be?
Be at the level of prominence you
are with like a
family, just the idea of like as the kids grow up and they hear things on the news. Does it, is it harder for you to explain to
them? What is what I do? Yeah, it's not easy to explain but nor would it be easier to explain. If I was a hit man, you know, I like what are the only two options if that's how I live. I have one one or two choices, you know, I go out like The Punisher.
Right. Everytime glad that.
But should you do they ever ask? Or is it? Are they not? Yeah, we think it's
funny like that, but they think it's funny because I think it's funny. That's right. Like, when I come home like Daddy's in trouble again, right? The the government's mad at Daddy. Yeah. No, they don't if I guess if I really tweaked they were probably tweak to. But you set that standard of like this is part of the job, part of the gig man, you know, and you know, it's that if you can't take the heat expression, you know, right shouldn't be in this business.
Right, so absolutely. So the business of opinions, you know where your business of opinions? Yeah, and it's a weird fucking business because people it's hard for people to have opinions today because of corporate structures Human Resources, you know, you want to make it up the corporate ladder and there's an ideology that your company has and if it's left-wing or right-wing you have to tow that line. Like it's fucking hard for people to just have opinions and even if they do have opinions, when do they have the time to talk about it? That's right. The thing about talking about opinions like we do we sit and talk for hours and hours. No,
He has the time to do that. What have you learned? I think through this whole period. Not only just the last year but the last few years about the
way that
friendships
work at your level because everybody
wants something from you, right. You have this platform. You can share it with people. Everybody wants to get on the show. Everybody wants maybe you to
endorse their I have friends you call me like yo tell Joe.
That this weed opportunity. I'm like are you on drugs and they are but like, how do you deal? Which is that where it's all these different
people have to say no to a lot of things you say no to a lot of people and sometimes. Yeah, and sometimes it's uncomfortable. Like, sometimes people won't let it go and, you know,
and you said people will come at you all
different ways. Friend's wife, everybody. Just yeah, trying to get in there. Yeah. It's it's it's an issue. You know, I mean I changed my phone number a lot, right? I've gotta change it again, you know, right, changed it.
Last year, I got to change it again. Ai-chan have several phones at for phones. Now. I step 3. Now. I have four. That's crazy. You know, I have a b c and d. You're a congratulations. Congrat. Thank you very much. I appreciate it when I carry, but there's a lot of people that I'll check there. I checked that phone once a week, right? Yeah, and maybe not even sometimes
not, he was the best cast you've
had other than me in the last seven or eight years. Would you say there's so many good ones, man. Yeah. So
many thing. I mean, so many serious ones? Somebody tell Dad.
My head is Peterson.
Yeah. Classic. Yeah, he's awesome. Bob Lazar. Oh, yeah. That was great. That's a great episode. You know, I don't know if he's Mike Tyson. Mike. Tyson is gray. I've had a lot of great ones. Elon, Elon is always great. Alex. Yeah. Alex is great. Yeah, I've had so many great ones. So many Comics like one of the things that we've been doing is me. Shane, Gillis Mark, Normand and Ari shaffir. We do this thing called a cuddle party. Yeah, where's the four of us? We get fucking hammered.
Giacomo shit and then afterwards like Panic, like maybe we should cut that part out. That's the back. That's when, you know, it's
good. That's when, you know, an episode of Dallas was hammering, only had one person and it was yanis. Papa's. Come on our show, where we couldn't use any of it, because he just starts attacking screaming about ali Wong. I mean, he's he's mentally ill, we love him. But he's meant he's unwell and we know that that too many Heroes. Yeah, and she'll, we just couldn't use it, but God loved them the, but yeah, those are when you know, they're good at. Yeah.
Well, it's those, but those with the ones with
Comics are my favorite because I feel the most at home. I mean, look, I I wear a lot of different hats, lack of a better term. When you do this, when I do this thing, it's very strange. Like, sometimes I'm talking to a scientist. Sometimes, I'm talking to someone who wrote a book about the environment. Sometimes I'm talking to a psychologist. Sometimes, I'm talking to a comedian some time, talking to a fighter. Sometimes. I'm talking to an event. It's like writer. It's a weird gig man. Yeah, and I
Only me that's booking them, right? Like like that kind of looks
like fun. How do people get on? People ask me all the time. They got, has somebody get on that.
I seek people out? I said, yeah, I think I'm like, he just has to want you to come on. Yeah, that's it. There's no other way on, right? And I have to say yes, like there's literally no other way
on because what there's, there's also giving me
25,000
dollars and what that'll do is increase the like little help. It'll help. Yeah, but it's not.
Not an exact
done that once really, yes. I didn't take the money, but he paid a friend. He the, my friend was broke. And yes, hold me. Hey, this guy told me that if I get you on, if I get him on your podcast. Yeah, he'll give me twenty five thousand dollars. That was the exact numbers crazy to that. And I said, listen, I said, I would have that guy on anyway, because he's really interesting, right? Yes, right and I love you. So you take the money. Yeah, and then I'll have them on but I would just let you know. I would have had him on anyway, but don't tell him that and get that.
Money because for yeah, there's no one way on. There's just you have to be interested in what somebody is saying. That's one of the beauties of the podcast is that it's only what I'm interested in. So whether it's talking to Bob, Lazar or talking to a fighter or talking to an artist, you know, like people like it's all right. I have to be interested. And I'm like, like to talk that guy. Oliver Stone. It was on today. I was like Oliver Stone wanted to come on and I don't know if you've seen his new fucking Kennedy documentary. Amazing. Holy shit. It's because I haven't seen it but
Fucking amazing. And there's a fee for our one are coming out. The end of its on Showtime. Right now until the end of February, the end of February, it's everywhere, and he's going to release a for our version. Wow. Yeah, it's fucking fantastic.
So this leave will leave. No doubt that it's all my
God. There's no doubt with the to our one, but he says right deeper with the for of the for our like having Oliver Stone on like fuck. Yeah. Quentin Tarantino. Fuck. Yeah. Those kind of people. It's like it's just who I'm interested in. I can I talk to that person. Yeah, let's get go get him.
Let's get him. Let's do a short. That's what it is. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons why the podcast works is because there's never a moment. Like, remember that Bill Hicks bit about Jay Leno sitting there talking to Joey Lawrence and his blood splatters like the NBC Peacock. Yeah. He's a company began to the bigger. And yeah, but it's that Jay Leno really didn't want to talk to these guys, right? That's the bit like, hey Joey Lawrence ryeom you got a girlfriend was crying? Maybe. Yeah, you know and you talk to people you want to talk exactly like there's no.
One gets on and less on. It's so much of the rage.
I think Hugh is that you've really found this way to monetize enjoying
stuff and satiating your curiosity and having these long meaningful
conversations and you've revolutionized the long-form discussion. Yeah, and all of these other media figures that supposedly could have done
it or fancy themselves to be intellectuals.
And to me none of them. Did it. You did it a comedian, an MMA commentator you
At
none of them did this weird. So I think a lot of the rage at you comes from that it's that you just chance on yourself and it worked out and none of them did. Well, it's weird to in
that look when it became a long-form. Just because that's what I wanted to do. Like Ari was like the fucking most adamant person telling me you're gonna change it. You gotta edit it. Yeah, like, you know, I'm telling you right now, you're fucking up. I go how I feel.
Going up, he goes. You gotta edit your show. It's too long. I go. Well then, don't listen right now. When he goes, people won't listen you go. They don't have to. Yeah, I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. I was making nobody right? I was making zero dollars right doing it every week. Yeah, and it got to the point where it there was one time with me and red band were sitting around. He goes. Do you know many downloads is cats? Yeah. Well known egos. That person got a million downloads. It was like like a record. Skip. Yeah, like what what what? Yeah. We're that a million downloads Ari has
Advice. He told me once that I should I should put out a tweet about Kobe Bryant and I didn't so thank God.
But she's, so sometimes he is wrong. Sometimes
sometimes he's wrong. Yeah, it's funny guy. But he have you ever seen his dick and balls
every day. He's while showing stay at my rental and
taxes me. This video is
all he does is expose himself in decently
his his balls. Don't look like the belongs dick. I told him that balls seem like his
Is Dick is a hermit crab and stole his balls from someone else and the live inside of
it? He's completely out of his mind.
Best friends. So you're here with me and spiritually so happy New Year and boss.
It's insane. There's so big. It's like elephantitis. They're like
like a giant chimp. Yeah, you know. Chips out. Yeah. It's like elephantitis. Yeah, it's crazy ones. Like how does it family like Texas? Love it. They love. Yeah, they love it. They love it. Yeah, man, it's fucking great here. Yeah, people are so much more relaxed and my what I think is really important when I'm doing here with the club and the podcast here is I'm completely removing myself from the influence of Hollywood, right? Because when you're in LA,
You're still in it. You're still under stuff. Still. It's contagious. Yeah, it's in the air. You like. I got it on me like that disingenuous bullshit right? For, you know, that fake sort of behavior that they do? That stuff gets into our business. Yeah, we have those actor types, that kind of like, they dance in both worlds. And yeah, I like one foot in the actor world and one foot in the end. They'll tweet about stuff. Yeah. Fuck are you doing about that? Right? Because they're in these both were
Worlds and that world, it contaminates things. Right and
comedy needs
to have its own Center, where it's like, comedy is the 100% thing. It's not comedy to become a sitcom star. Come right. I want to tell young comics and I want to help them and say hey you don't have to do anything else, right? I can just do comedy. You don't have to have any be hire you for something, right? You can be
completely autonomous and you could have all
this like freedom to
do podcasts.
Has to do other people's
podcasts and we all will work together as an organic Network. You just practice. Stand up, right? Which
is what everybody loves, right? Everybody loves stand up. You do those other things because you think that's what you have to do for a career.
Yeah, but ultimately, I remember being on Newsradio. I remember being on Fear Factor particular and seeing people that I knew that I start out with, they were killing it in theaters and they're on the road all the time. And I would be jealous, right? I'd like God, I wish I was doing that. Yeah, I was trapped knob trap. Obviously. It's good trap.
Yeah, but I was doing a show and I was like, I can't travel, you have this show. I have to do all the time. Yeah, I could travel, very rarely. Yeah, I remember thinking God. This is like cements in my head that are really love, stand up. I love money. It's not money. What's nice about money is you have to worry about money, right? As if you don't have money, then you worry about money. But if you can have a clear head and once you get money, don't think. Oh my God, I hope this doesn't go away now. I have to play Everything safe, and I have to I have to really play by the rules. So I get more of this Hollywood, right?
Instead what I did was going. Okay, good. Now I've got some money now. I can just be free now. I must do what I want to do. Yeah, and then the the podcast thing came out of that because it was completely organic. There was no thought whatsoever about it being profitable. Yeah zero. Yeah. And the club you're going to open in a few months and that a lot of people will come probably, you know, to the
club from other places too.
Well, I was you have a huge fan base and people will come. The goal is to be as supportive as possible.
Possible to stand. Upright. Let me write make an awesome place where Comics their audiences. Can come have a great time. Comics can come and know they're safe, right? Have fun there. We're you know, we're going right. Maybe you are going to require the booster. Everyone gets boosted before you go on stage
every time. I think if you just I
think there's a waiting period where people like well the vaccine effectiveness of dropped off. Maybe if you keep hitting people to come back. Yeah. It's boosting every fucking
week and
maybe if you die you were.
Posed to. You mean, people are always saying that the roads are too crowded here. Sure. What if we boost, a lot of people a few I mean that makes a lot of
sense. I want to thank you for taking your
time. How yours is he? Got Ben's gonna get you promise you $50 better. Go to the ATM, get him the money. I want to thank you want. Thank you for being one of these new up-and-coming people. That's very exciting. And I think you're Paving the way for a lot of people that are seeing what you're doing. Wow, you're courageous your while motherfucker. Yeah, chances. You're smart. It's awesome.
Thank you for doing this. I'm happy to be your friend. Well, I am happy to be your friend, and
thank you for giving me the strength to be a gamer and be trance. Good
night. Thank you. Thank you, Joe.
