All of the really great options in handling a pandemic have been foreclosed by our leadership. I think there is no concept of leadership at all. I don't think in the era in which we live we have seen someone behave as a leader. If I were Anthony Fauci, for example, and I really cared about saving the maximum number of lives, he would say 'For for better or worse, I am associated with so many negatives that I believe that my presence here is, in fact, detrimental to our objectives.'